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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Ok, even so, how can you say it is ok to kill innocent people?
    Depends entirely on the circumstances. When an innocent person dies as a result as an attack on a legitimate target, it is regrettable, but an unintentional consequence.

    Since 2001 the United States has killed over 3,000 Pakistani civilians alone with drones.
    How many were legitimate targets, and how many died as a resut on a strike against a legitimate target?

    When, say, a mortar crew is dropping bombs on you, do you not take them out because they happen to be in a school courtyard?

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Depends entirely on the circumstances. When an innocent person dies as a result as an attack on a legitimate target, it is regrettable, but an unintentional consequence.
    So let us just say that because a country suspects that your neighbor is a threat to their security, they have nothing definite, but only a rumor. They decide to shoot a drone at your neighbors house, and you are not home at the time You return home to find your whole family dead, your house destroyed, and as it turns out the neighbor was not indeed a threat at all, but it was false intelligence, yet his whole family perished, as well as yours and several neighbors. This is justifiable? Even if the target was justifiable as he posed a *potential* threat to the nation, would you see this as justifiable.

    When, say, a mortar crew is dropping bombs on you, do you not take them out because they happen to be in a school courtyard?
    Shooting a drone at a target and coming in on foot is two totally different situations. Coming in on foot it is possible to calculate the most effective time and way to take the target out without injuring civilians. Forces equipped with military issued weaponry is *much* less destructive then shooting a drone at somebody. A whole area is taken out by a drone, with bullets there is a much smaller range of damage.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    So let us just say that because a country suspects that your neighbor is a threat to their security, they have nothing definite, but only a rumor.
    You cannot show that this is the case for a significant number of these strikes, and so you analogy, while possibly valid in a vacuum, isn't relevant to the situation at hand. You're arging that we're shooting misiles into known civilian areas "just in case" there a legitimate target, something that we do not do.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    Instability and conflict is not justification for murder. It's the cause of it.
    I was thinking more of surveillance than anything else.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    You cannot show that this is the case for a significant number of these strikes, and so you analogy, while possibly valid in a vacuum, isn't relevant to the situation at hand. You're arging that we're shooting misiles into known civilian areas "just in case" there a legitimate target, something that we do not do.
    The area where most of the United States drones are shot is the Tribal Areas of the North West. There is an estimated 4 million civilians in the Tribal areas. That is essentially shooting a drone into Los Angeles (give or take the population density)
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    A lot depends on how you define "okay." By what means of measuring? The simplest answer is no, it's not okay.

    But when our citizens are under threat by terrorists, and the country housing the same terrorist provides little or no assistance in abducting that terrorist, then it is logical to employ drones. The country being overflown has every right to try and shoot down the drones, but then that creates a far more volatile situation. Even if that country "can" stop the drones, it's not necessarily wise that they "should" shoot them down.

    If the US has ever launched drones over Canada, you can be pretty sure Canada was aware and permitted it. There's really no reason for the US to do so anyway. If the US is looking for something, we can expect Canada to cooperate fully. So we don't need drones in such an instance. In the case of Yemen, the US either gets no cooperation or "pretend" cooperation that is achieving nothing. They will not permit US troops, so the only option the US is left with are drones.

    So whether or not it's "okay" or not doesn't really enter into it. Much depends on the scenario, and whether or not the application of force is required to resolve the scenario.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No because my country is the United States of America, I do however support this activity in Pakistan. It isn't about fairness, it's about utility and who I believe is right. The world is not run on the strut of moral equivalency and equity. Thank god for that.
    Seems kind of hypocritical to support drones killing and spying on people in other countries, but not your own.I am sure America is harboring some people wanted in other countries.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Not if we're not at war with them.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    There are only 2other alternatives:

    1. That murderers and terroristic only need to run to "safe homebase" - like a child playing chase - and therefore we cannot do anything but go to war against that whole country.

    2. Congratulating the killer(s) for successfully getting away with it.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I was thinking more of surveillance than anything else.

    Have we accidentally taken out any non-Al Qaeda members?
    168 children killed in drone strikes in Pakistan since start of campaign - Telegraph
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