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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think it's far from absolute, unfortunately. It's a sad and undeniable fact that innocent people die whenever the US takes military action. It's a very gray area of morality whether it's justified in order to keep Americans safe.

    I think it needs to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. One thing I can say for certain is that you and I are not privy to all the facts that would lead us to make informed decisions. We just have to hope that the men and women we have elected will make the right calls on the ground.

    There isn't much else we can do about it.
    That's a very sad view of this issue.


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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I read it, I still don't think it justifies killing of innocents.
    America is a great nation that has grown strong under policies such as the Monroe Doctrine. I don't think the Supreme Court has ever struck down the Monroe Doctrine. Thus we have the right to take military action in other countries when it benefits us.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Yeah, but am I wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    That's a very sad view of this issue.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    That's a very sad view of this issue.
    So using the best possible judgment with the optimally selected weapons, i.e. reduced and low collateral damage and death, is sad compared to the alternatives? Please, your alternative is what?

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So using the best possible judgment with the optimally selected weapons, i.e. reduced and low collateral damage and death, is sad compared to the alternatives? Please, your alternative is what?
    My alternative to absolutistist violence? Well, it is probably unrealistic considering the state if things, but there's gotta be a point where we stop thinking like this. It makes me and others afraid of my country's governmernment. Its just a depressing situation.


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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    My alternative to absolutistist violence? Well, it is probably unrealistic considering the state if things, but there's gotta be a point where we stop thinking like this. It makes me and others afraid of my country's governmernment. Its just a depressing situation.
    "Absolutist violence?" You mean hyper-accurate weapons for targeting small groups of murderers at a time is "absolutist?" Rather than use huge bombs that destroy whole groups of Taliban, we target only the leaders and you consider that "absolutist?"

    What exactly do you expect to do against an enemy that does things like this?

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    A 14-year old Pakistani activist who championed education for girls has been shot in the head by a Taliban gunman.

    The attack on Malala Yousafzai, who became famous for highlighting Taliban atrocities, happened as she sat in a bus preparing to leave the school grounds in Mingora, the main city in the Swat valley which was the scene of intense fighting between the army and the Taliban in 2009.

    At least one other girl was also hurt in the attack on Tuesday that a Taliban spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan, quickly claimed the group was responsible for.

    He said the teenager's work had been an "obscenity" that needed to be stopped: "This was a new chapter of obscenity, and we have to finish this chapter."

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Would you be okay with other nations sending drones into your country to kill or spy on people? I decided to come up with this poll question because I have been thinking for awhile about how our government sends drones into Pakistan to kill people that if I was the citizens of that country the Pakistani politicians who gave the okay for such a thing would be getting lynched and publicly executed for allowing such a breach of sovereignty for the civilian causalities those drone strike sometimes cause.


    Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill and or spy on people?

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    No. We should just invade the whole country like Bush did. There is nothing like "shock and awe" to win over a countries hearts and minds.
    It is not fair to just kill those that want to kill us. We need to send our young men as targets and recruiting aids for Alqeada
    Look how well our prosthetic industry has done since we invaded Iraq. Drones are hurting the production and sales of artificial legs.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    This whole argument is based on a false equivalency.

    It's tantamount to asking "Should it be okay for someone to lock you in a cell against your will?" and then using that to suggest that it's unfair that we do exactly that to, say, rapists.

    A question that isn't such a misrepresentation of the situation in AfPak might be: Is it ok for the US military to defend itself against Taliban targets that are launching/supporting attacks in Afghanistan against our troops and then retreating across the Durrand Line to the shelter of Pakistan sovereignty, while Pakistan itself is unwilling/unable to stop such occurrences?

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How many of these terrorist and innocent bystanders killed by those drones have actually killed Americans? I am pretty sure that gang members and other criminals have taken more American lives that terrorists have, but no one is suggesting that we should send in predator drones to the neighborhoods they live in to bomb them and the surrounding homes.
    We have options with criminals on our own soil. If we know where a suspected gang member/murderer is, our police go knock on the front door and take him into custody. If that were an option in Pakistan I'd be all for it.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    My alternative to absolutistist violence? Well, it is probably unrealistic considering the state if things, but there's gotta be a point where we stop thinking like this. It makes me and others afraid of my country's governmernment. Its just a depressing situation.
    The questions that are left open for you are: Who is "we"? And some detail on thinking like what? Let me give you my answers. Everyone is we. This includes they. And, any member of we (generally called they) can force the others of we to act in a way we don't want to, e.g. use drones.

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