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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nobody died during Watergate...
    Watergate was about the President endorsing a ton of illegal stuff, mostly against political opponents so he can seize personal power.

    The attack in Benghazi has no way of providing the President with more power.
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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair.

    Obama lied to the American people about the terrorist attack. His administration led us to believe it was a mob riot due to some video. We know now that he knew from day 1 that it was a terrorist attack.

    We know that he watched the attack live, as it happened. We had troops stationed in Italy, 1 hour flight away. Obama watched and did nothing.

    He sat by, watched people die, and did nothing. He lied about it to the American people. Don't let a good crisis go to waste, right?

    Now, he refuses to answer questions about it. What is he hiding? Why have the hearings been pushed back till after the election?

    It's a lot like Obamacare: you'll find out after you pass it. Benghazi: you'll find out after he's re-elected.

    Scary.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'll repeat what I asked Bamamom. What sequence of events do you see happening re Benghazi that would result in the president being impeached or forced to resign? I just don't see it. We don't impeach presidents for mistakes. We don't force them to resign because they made an unpopular decision. What "scandal" do you see here?

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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair.

    Obama lied to the American people about the terrorist attack. His administration led us to believe it was a mob riot due to some video. We know now that he knew from day 1 that it was a terrorist attack.

    We know that he watched the attack live, as it happened. We had troops stationed in Italy, 1 hour flight away. Obama watched and did nothing.

    He sat by, watched people die, and did nothing. He lied about it to the American people. Don't let a good crisis go to waste, right?

    Now, he refuses to answer questions about it. What is he hiding? Why have the hearings been pushed back till after the election?

    It's a lot like Obamacare: you'll find out after you pass it. Benghazi: you'll find out after he's re-elected.

    Scary.
    Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Let's take a worst-case scenerio. There's no way he's going to "get in legal trouble" from not releasing what he knew. There is no obligation for the President of the United States to release information that could in any way compromise American interests. That's an easy, obvious (and okay) reason for a President to "lie" in a press conference. (In my opinion, anyway).

    So, let's say he absolutely KNEW it was a terrorist attack from the very beginning. And he didn't share that with the American people. And let's go further and say that Hillary Clinton (who'd asked Libya permission to enter their airspace with help...though we don't know what answer they gave) called him and said, "Mr. President, Libya did not give us permission to enter their airspace to assist at the Benghazi consulate. What are your orders? Do we go in? Do we stand back?" And let's say, President Obama said, "Stand down."

    While it might be an abomination to the American people that a President would refuse to aid American civilians being attacked by foreigners in a foreign country, while it might end his chances of re-election, while it might permanently mark his presidency with scandal, that -- in and of itself -- it not an impeachable offense.

    We don't impeach Presidents for making the wrong decision...the unpopular decision...or for lying to the American people in matters of national security.
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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    I was making the point that it was a bigger scandal, not really that he'll be impeached, but still...

    I don't know enough about constitutional law to tell you if the president has done anything impeachable, but the constitution says "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" are what constitute impeachable offenses.

    High crimes and misdemeanors are defined by the House, I believe. It's not like there's a list that says perjury and obstruction of justice are impeachable, but this and that are not. It's subjective and depends on the current House.

    Allowing Americans to die is pretty bad. Lying about it is pretty bad. There will be hearings, even if Obama puts them off. I wouldn't bat an eye if he were impeached. What Nixon and Clinton did were not nearly as bad as this.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Let's take a worst-case scenerio. There's no way he's going to "get in legal trouble" from not releasing what he knew. There is no obligation for the President of the United States to release information that could in any way compromise American interests. That's an easy, obvious (and okay) reason for a President to "lie" in a press conference. (In my opinion, anyway).

    So, let's say he absolutely KNEW it was a terrorist attack from the very beginning. And he didn't share that with the American people. And let's go further and say that Hillary Clinton (who'd asked Libya permission to enter their airspace with help...though we don't know what answer they gave) called him and said, "Mr. President, Libya did not give us permission to enter their airspace to assist at the Benghazi consulate. What are your orders? Do we go in? Do we stand back?" And let's say, President Obama said, "Stand down."

    While it might be an abomination to the American people that a President would refuse to aid American civilians being attacked by foreigners in a foreign country, while it might end his chances of re-election, while it might permanently mark his presidency with scandal, that -- in and of itself -- it not an impeachable offense.

    We don't impeach Presidents for making the wrong decision...the unpopular decision...or for lying to the American people in matters of national security.

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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I was making the point that it was a bigger scandal, not really that he'll be impeached, but still...

    I don't know enough about constitutional law to tell you if the president has done anything impeachable, but the constitution says "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" are what constitute impeachable offenses.

    High crimes and misdemeanors are defined by the House, I believe. It's not like there's a list that says perjury and obstruction of justice are impeachable, but this and that are not. It's subjective and depends on the current House.

    Allowing Americans to die is pretty bad. Lying about it is pretty bad. There will be hearings, even if Obama puts them off. I wouldn't bat an eye if he were impeached. What Nixon and Clinton did were not nearly as bad as this.
    I totally understand your passion. I think Americans would be horrified to find that, although he pulled the trigger on Bin Laden (as an example), he failed to pull the trigger on a rescue mission in which an American ambassador and three other Americans died at the hands of a mob. I know I would be.

    I look at Watergate as an attempt to disenfranchise the American people. An Administration that was willing to stop at nothing -- nothing -- to get Richard Nixon re-elected. And a President who, if he didn't arrange to have the whole process orchestrated, protected the asses of those involved through his lies and cover-ups. There were rumors at the time that top military brass had a contingency plan in place in case President Nixon, as Commander in Chief, gave orders to the military to interfere with our election process.

    In the case of Benghazi, I can think of nothing President Obama might have done that would come close to the Watergate mess. Others may disagree.
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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What sequence of events could you see having happened that would amount to a scandal that would cause President Obama to either face impeachment or resign?
    Like I said, I am not really sure yet so I didn't vote in the poll, but if this has something to do with it than Obama should be impeached.
    Was Syrian weapons shipment factor in ambassador

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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    uhm? currently only one was a "scandal" LMAO
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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamamom View Post
    Like I said, I am not really sure yet so I didn't vote in the poll, but if this has something to do with it than Obama should be impeached.
    Was Syrian weapons shipment factor in ambassador
    Oh, I completely agree with you here. I saw that a few days ago on a website so INcredible I would never cite it. It's now made Fox. It will be interesting to see if this story gets legs. Thanks for posting the link. Wow.
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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There is no Benghazi scandal yet.

    It's hard to believe any permutation of events in Benghazi could rise to the level of Watergate.
    It already has. Obama knows who sent Rice out to do those talk shows and tell those lies.

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    Re: Which was a bigger scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    It already has. Obama knows who sent Rice out to do those talk shows and tell those lies.
    What are you talking about, Marsden? Specifically what did Obama do that makes Benghazi an impeachable offense. If we're going to compare it to Watergate, that's the comparison to make.
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