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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    The difference between 9/11 and Benghazi is that people saw what happened in New York. There was no doubt about what happened and the only way they could blame Bush WAS through a conspiracy theory with no solid facts.
    Really? So when the world trade center was on fire everyone was screaming "Oh my God, Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center!" Or did the fact that it was Al Qaeda come out later?

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Where's this testimony?
    Oversight Hearing Part 1 - "The Security Failures of Benghazi" - YouTube

    I watched the hearing on CSPAN
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Really? So when the world trade center was on fire everyone was screaming "Oh my God, Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center!" Or did the fact that it was Al Qaeda come out later?
    No you misunderstand. Everyone saw what happened on 9/11. The fact that two planes hit in the same place, not to mention the other planes that went down in Pennsylvania and the one that hit the Pentagon, there was no doubt about what happened. Everyone knew what it was. With Benghazi no one here really knew what happened until the facts started to trickle through about what really happened. The only things that could have made Bush responsible for 9/11 were conspiracy theories, there were no solid incriminating facts. With Benghazi there are loads of facts that suggest it was deliberate misinformation.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    No you misunderstand. Everyone saw what happened on 9/11. The fact that two planes hit in the same place, not to mention the other planes that went down in Pennsylvania and the one that hit the Pentagon, there was no doubt about what happened. Everyone knew what it was. With Benghazi no one here really knew what happened until the facts started to trickle through about what really happened. The only things that could have made Bush responsible for 9/11 were conspiracy theories, there were no solid incriminating facts. With Benghazi there are loads of facts that suggest it was deliberate misinformation.
    No, there are loads of facts that suggest it was massive fubar confusion. Why else would everybody be saying something different in the three or four days after the incident?

    As for 9/11, my point was not that Bush was responsible for 9/11, but that as a work of fiction the conspiracy theory is coherent. You can follow the theory from a to d. You can pitch the idea to a movie producer, he'll understand it, and it becomes a thriller blockbuster in the movies that summer. But the Benghazi "coverup" is not coherent as fiction or nonfiction. It just doesn't make sense on any level unless you assume dishonesty on the part of the Obama administration, and there's simply no reason for leaping to that point.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    In addition to that Fact Checker site which establishes the timeline of the events of the attack and the days after, this article further clarifies a picture of confusion among the member of the administration before the idea that it was officially a terrorist attack was finally agreed on by all (even though it was indeed called that on September 12).

    If the president referred to the attack as an “act of terror” twice in those two days, why has there been such a controversy over what Republicans call the administration’s deep reluctance to label the attack terrorism?

    The “act of terror” references attracted relatively little notice at the time, and later they appeared to have been forgotten even by some administration officials. In the vice-presidential debate, for instance, Representative Paul D. Ryan declared, “It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that this was a terrorist attack.” Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. did not directly contradict the charge. What attracted more attention was a series of statements by administration officials, notably Susan E. Rice, the ambassador to the United Nations, that appeared to link the Benghazi attack to a protest against a crude anti-Islam video made in the United States that was circulating on the Web.
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    When did administration officials begin consistently to use the “terrorism” label?

    On Sept. 19, Matthew G. Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said about the killings in Benghazi during a Senate hearing, “Yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy.” The next day, asked about Mr. Olsen’s testimony, Mr. Carney declared, “It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.”
    Questions and Answers on the Benghazi Attack - NYTimes.com

    It was a tragedy, and there was more than enough confusion to go around. But this is simply the scandal that ain't. And more importantly to the OP, aside from what right wing hacks are trying to drum this up as, it doesn't come across as a scandal. It's just comes across as what it is: a tragedy.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    What part of the testimony were you referring to?

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What part of the testimony were you referring to?
    I don't know which exact part I watched, I only caught a portion of the entire thing. But the people testifying (at the part I watched) included facts that 1) there was not enough security and had submitted multiple requests 2) that requests for additional security were declined and that security was in fact pulled out 3) that it was not a financial problem, because the security officers on site in Benghazi received a danger pay increase, and 4) that the administration had reason to believe the embassy was likely to be attacked because of some 200 prior incidents throughout the year.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Scandal...as if Obama orchestrated these deaths
    Get off your pseudo-high horse..
    Many more died under Bush and there was no blaming him for their deaths( i don't blame Bush or Obama)
    Krauthammer Whitewashes Bush's History To Bash Obama Over Embassy Attack | Research | Media Matters for America
    Obama left them to die. What did he tell Pansy Panetta? And did Pansy Panetta do as the president demanded? Then why is the pansy still the secretary of defense?

    Obama lied. His minions lied. You already know it. So you are part of the problem.

    I don't believe this will change the election's results. But after President Romney is inaugurated I do hope he will appoint a prosecutor to look into Obama's role in Obama's Benghazi Massacre.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Obama left them to die. What did he tell Pansy Panetta? And did Pansy Panetta do as the president demanded? Then why is the pansy still the secretary of defense?

    Obama lied. His minions lied. You already know it. So you are part of the problem.

    I don't believe this will change the election's results. But after President Romney is inaugurated I do hope he will appoint a prosecutor to look into Obama's role in Obama's Benghazi Massacre.
    Thanks for providing a link that proves that i have lied...that proves that Obama lied.
    Oh wait you didn't.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    As far as it being "as bad as the Watergate Scandal." No. If Republicans outside Fox (especially Romney) push it too much or in the wrong way it will blow up in their face.

    Fact is, Obama's statements fit the reports given by the CIA agencies beneath him at any given point in time. All he has to do is produce the documents and any argument against him is destroyed and discredited.

    Secondly, it can't be even remotely comparable to the Watergate Scandal because the Administration hasn't delivered its report. For all we know, someone will be found guilty of negligence or incompetence and offered up as a sacrificial lamb, or at least, mistakes made in and out of the Administration will be acknowledged. That's opposed to the Nixon Administration, which hid everything with the president's knowing.
    Why hasn't the president declassified the predator video?


    You know he is lying. Even fools know. But fools continue to support the one term Marxist. maybe fools believe Obama won't run out of other people's money.

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