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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've seen no reason to think either of those things happened, and so far I can only conclude that this entire story belongs in the conspiracy theory forum.
    It already is in the "conspiracy theory forum" that we know as Faux News.



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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Well, I heard Obama say that it was the result of a video and that it was a spontaneous mob attack.
    Did you hear that on Faux News? Well, there you go, you can't believe what Faux News tell you. There was a group chanting against the video which the attackers used as a distraction, and it was a spontaneous attack.
    Citing unnamed US officials and witnesses, the newspaper said the attack, which killed ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, was “carried out following a minimum amount of planning.”
    Al-Qaeda not behind Benghazi attack: U.S. report




    Then I watched the hearing where people testified that 1) there was no mob riot 2) it was not spontaneous, it was planned 3) they had an AA gun and RPGs as well as automatic rifles (not things mobs just carry around with them) and 4) that that particular embassy had asked for more security but instead had security pulled out, even after 200 some prior incidents throughout the year which lead up to Benghazi.
    Did you also hear that Republicans in Congress were the ones that turned down increased funding for more security? Of course you didn't. It is all speculation, mostly by the Republican party in a desperate attempt to gain some political points.
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    All of this I heard either from the mouth of the president, or on CSPAN watching the hearing itself. Obama was even caught red handed in the middle of one of the debates talking about this.
    You must not have understood what was being said in the debate, because the one I saw, Obama handed Romney his butt on a platter when Romney tried to insist that Obama hadn't said "acts of terror". Romney was thoroughly embarrassed.



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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Okay, even if the administration (or part of it) decided to push the video angle... why is this a scandal? Still no evidence to suggest the deliberate decision to allow these people to die, as the OP suggests. Hey, how about the cool ways that the government has used this to push a pro-censorship policy? Oh wait, they didn't. How about all the political gain by taking the wrong side in this? Oh yeah, there really isn't any. Even assuming a deliberate deception (the deliberate part is very much in question), all it took was one little hearing to bring it all to light. That's not a cover up. That's a delay. You think maybe there could have been some danger to Americans still in Libya if they revealed the real details? It's just as legit a theory as any offered in the rest of this thread.

    There is no scandal here. There's no cover up. There's a mistake, but for an administration that has a good record on foreign issues, especially responses to terror, this mistake doesn't tip the scales too much.
    What? If it wasn't a cover up, then why were they still spewing the same video story two weeks after the event, even though they knew for sure within 24 hours? If it wasn't a cover up, why keep up the lie? Because it's bad for Obama's campaign. It happened on his watch, and he even claimed responsibility (as if that somehow makes it all right).
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Did you hear that on Faux News? Well, there you go, you can't believe what Faux News tell you.
    Yes, I did hear it on Fox News. Did you know that Fox has been rated the most reliable news source? I wonder why that is. Put down your biases.
    Beside that point, Fox showed a sound byte of Obama saying this in a speech at the UN. You can't fake a video of Obama saying it without suffering ridiculous scrutiny for falsifying that information, not to mention it would be incredibly hard to do.

    There was a group chanting against the video which the attackers used as a distraction, and it was a spontaneous attack.
    This was in Egypt. An entirely different country. How could it be a distraction?

    Did you also hear that Republicans in Congress were the ones that turned down increased funding for more security? Of course you didn't. It is all speculation, mostly by the Republican party in a desperate attempt to gain some political points.
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    Yes, in fact I did hear this. But that doesn't excuse the president when there were 200 some prior incidents in the region throughout the year. You can bet that it was in his security briefing. So why didn't he so much as suggest more security?

    You must not have understood what was being said in the debate, because the one I saw, Obama handed Romney his butt on a platter when Romney tried to insist that Obama hadn't said "acts of terror". Romney was thoroughly embarrassed.
    You must not have understood then. Did you miss the tidbit there where Romney asked for the transcript and the moderator said "Yes he did say that, and yes you are correct". Obama walked into a corner. Take off those Obama-lust glasses you have on and you might get a glimpse of reality.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    What? If it wasn't a cover up, then why were they still spewing the same video story two weeks after the event, even though they knew for sure within 24 hours? If it wasn't a cover up, why keep up the lie? Because it's bad for Obama's campaign. It happened on his watch, and he even claimed responsibility (as if that somehow makes it all right).
    Read the timeline from FactCheck . As various administration officials give answers on what happened it becomes immediately apparent that there was no coherent message on the incident as there was obviously no meeting to bring everyone up to speed. Coverups tend to be more organized than this. For the first few days after September 11 there was exactly the kind of confusion one would expect after a tragic international incident with loss of life, uncertainty of the participants and conflicting, incoming information. If Obama should be criticized for anything it's for not telling everyone in his administration, "Look, everyone needs to shut the hell up until we actually know something."

    As conspiracy theories go this is a really weak one because the implied motives are confusing and tenuous. "Bush planned 9/11 so he could have an excuse to invade the Middle East for oil" was stupid, but as fiction goes at least it made sense (in the sense of weaving motives together to form a cohesive story). As a result all you can rely on is right wing blogs that make accusations in the form of questions.

    As for your repeated mention of the video, I'd like a link of Obama claiming that it caused the Benghazi attack. I would like an example after September 14, when is around when most people started to chill the hell out and speak levelly about the incident.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You just don't believe how incompetent Obama is.
    It seems that there was a general incompetence is presenting a clear message to the public for the first few days following the attack, but that appears to be it.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    If you look at the polls, Benghazi appears to have had zero influence on the state of the race. If Obama loses, and it's certainly possible, it will be because of the economy and his first debate. Benghazi has made it really easy to identify hacks and those who only read The Blaze and Breitbart, but that's about it.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Read the timeline from FactCheck . As various administration officials give answers on what happened it becomes immediately apparent that there was no coherent message on the incident as there was obviously no meeting to bring everyone up to speed. Coverups tend to be more organized than this. For the first few days after September 11 there was exactly the kind of confusion one would expect after a tragic international incident with loss of life, uncertainty of the participants and conflicting, incoming information. If Obama should be criticized for anything it's for not telling everyone in his administration, "Look, everyone needs to shut the hell up until we actually know something."

    As conspiracy theories go this is a really weak one because the implied motives are confusing and tenuous. "Bush planned 9/11 so he could have an excuse to invade the Middle East for oil" was stupid, but as fiction goes at least it made sense (in the sense of weaving motives together to form a cohesive story). As a result all you can rely on is right wing blogs that make accusations in the form of questions.
    What about the sworn testimony from the hearing that said the administration was watching real time? What about the testimony that they knew it was an organized attack by terrorists? The difference between 9/11 and Benghazi is that people saw what happened in New York. There was no doubt about what happened and the only way they could blame Bush WAS through a conspiracy theory with no solid facts. Well we have solid facts from sworn testimonials of people dealing with the situation. They knew what it was within 24 hours. Fact. They continued to tell us 2 weeks later that it was something else. Fact. It cannot get any more simple than that.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    If you look at the polls, Benghazi appears to have had zero influence on the state of the race.
    That's because it's tenuous and confusing. Christopher Nolan plots are easier to decipher than the one many Republicans are claiming happened. I mean, you've got a video, or not, and it did but it didn't make people angry in Benghazi or maybe it was Cairo or hell who knows maybe it was Morocco, and there was an attack which was planned (or not). Also, you've got something about a drone and somebody painting a target (what?). And Obama officials claimed on tv that it was planned and that it was a video and that it was neither and obviously this means there was a giant coverup to try to keep people from seeing that terrorism happened under his watch (even though he called it a terrorist attack).

    KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    What about the sworn testimony from the hearing that said the administration was watching real time? What about the testimony that they knew it was an organized attack by terrorists? The difference between 9/11 and Benghazi is that people saw what happened in New York. There was no doubt about what happened and the only way they could blame Bush WAS through a conspiracy theory with no solid facts. Well we have solid facts from sworn testimonials of people dealing with the situation. They knew what it was within 24 hours. Fact. They continued to tell us 2 weeks later that it was something else. Fact. It cannot get any more simple than that.

    Where's this testimony?

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