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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    It's not just that. I'm not completely educated on the Iran matter, but I don't think Obama is doing anything, has done anything, or will do anything about their nuclear program until it's too late. He's had a trend of being soft with other countries when it comes to his foreign policy. The whole video apology lie is a great example of that. We shouldn't apologize for something that is our right, however screwed up the video may have been.
    1. I don't know Obama's Iran strategy, so I can't comment on it.
    2. "Soft" like "killing Osama Bin Laden" or "sending countless drones into Pakistan" or "participating in the Libyan campaign to aid the rebels"?
    3. There was no apology tour.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am more interested in why Obama let them happen and then covered them up....We know who conducted them.
    I've seen no reason to think either of those things happened, and so far I can only conclude that this entire story belongs in the conspiracy theory forum.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What makes you think any of this?
    Well, I heard Obama say that it was the result of a video and that it was a spontaneous mob attack. Then I watched the hearing where people testified that 1) there was no mob riot 2) it was not spontaneous, it was planned 3) they had an AA gun and RPGs as well as automatic rifles (not things mobs just carry around with them) and 4) that that particular embassy had asked for more security but instead had security pulled out, even after 200 some prior incidents throughout the year which lead up to Benghazi.

    All of this I heard either from the mouth of the president, or on CSPAN watching the hearing itself. Obama was even caught red handed in the middle of one of the debates talking about this.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Israel and India for all practical purposes are allied against Pakistan. So that is a non-issue. Iran is not our problem. We don't need to send our men and women to fight for Israel when they are perfectly capable of defending themselves with our financial and military (equipment) aid.

    I mean the last two wars destroyed us economically, how can you support another financial disaster of a war?

    PS we are now way off topic. So with that I am going to bed.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've seen no reason to think either of those things happened, and so far I can only conclude that this entire story belongs in the conspiracy theory forum.
    You just don't believe how incompetent Obama is.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Israel only friend in the middle east is us.
    Wrong again...

    After decades of non-aligned and pro-Arab policy, India formally established relations with Israel in January 1992 and ties between the two nations have flourished since, primarily due to common strategic interests and security threats. Formation of Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) allegedly neglected the sentiments of Indian Muslims and blocking of India by Pakistan from joining OIC is considered to be the cause of diplomatic shift. - India

    Israel has full diplomatic relations with Jordan since the signing of the Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace in 1994.

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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    What cover up? People knew about this the day it happened, and the president was under scrutiny for it right away. He was open and forthcoming about what happened, what they knew, and what they didn't know. Where was there a cover up? Stephen Colbert, of all people, was covering this.

    The thing about the video? Do we no longer understand that people can make mistakes? It's not like administration ruled out the possibility of an organized terrorist attack. They simply reached a conclusion based on the available evidence. How is that a cover up?
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've seen no reason to think either of those things happened, and so far I can only conclude that this entire story belongs in the conspiracy theory forum.
    Have you watched the hearing? Did you see his speech to the UN? What about the debate where he got caught contradicting the news coverage of his speeches saying it was a video? There's plenty of evidence so far to suggest he covered it up. He even said "in the end the president is always responsible", or something of that nature.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What cover up? People knew about this the day it happened, and the president was under scrutiny for it right away. He was open and forthcoming about what happened, what they knew, and what they didn't know. Where was there a cover up? Stephen Colbert, of all people, was covering this.

    The thing about the video? Do we no longer understand that people can make mistakes? It's not like administration ruled out the possibility of an organized terrorist attack. They simply reached a conclusion based on the available evidence. How is that a cover up?

    Except it wasn't a mistake. It was a cover up. They knew within 24 hours that it was in fact a terrorist attack, yet two weeks later they were still feeding us the story that it was a spontaneous mob attack in response to a video. There is proof of this. Go watch the hearing.

    As far as I'm aware it wasn't until after the hearing that the administration came clean.
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    Re: Will the Libya scandal lose the election for Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Except it wasn't a mistake. It was a cover up. They knew within 24 hours that it was in fact a terrorist attack, yet two weeks later they were still feeding us the story that it was a spontaneous mob attack in response to a video. There is proof of this. Go watch the hearing.

    As far as I'm aware it wasn't until after the hearing that the administration came clean.
    Okay, even if the administration (or part of it) decided to push the video angle... why is this a scandal? Still no evidence to suggest the deliberate decision to allow these people to die, as the OP suggests. Hey, how about the cool ways that the government has used this to push a pro-censorship policy? Oh wait, they didn't. How about all the political gain by taking the wrong side in this? Oh yeah, there really isn't any. Even assuming a deliberate deception (the deliberate part is very much in question), all it took was one little hearing to bring it all to light. That's not a cover up. That's a delay. You think maybe there could have been some danger to Americans still in Libya if they revealed the real details? It's just as legit a theory as any offered in the rest of this thread.

    There is no scandal here. There's no cover up. There's a mistake, but for an administration that has a good record on foreign issues, especially responses to terror, this mistake doesn't tip the scales too much.
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