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    Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    Last edited by 274ina; 10-25-12 at 01:44 PM.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    No, never. Americans should not "share" and be forced to ration, we're not that kind of country and never should be. You want gas prices to normalize, get rid of inefficient and overreaching laws and regulations between the states and federal and create a normal market.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No, never. Americans should not "share" and be forced to ration, we're not that kind of country and never should be. You want gas prices to normalize, get rid of inefficient and overreaching laws and regulations between the states and federal and create a normal market.
    Funny, thats that same thing GOP like you say about healthcare......

    So I will restate the same old arguments.

    If you cant afford it, thats not our problem.........Lets see, $4 tax added to $5 gas....thats $9 gal to fill your hummer after you use up all your USA gas the first week.

    I know you hate sharing, it hurts your profits, as does a person like me useing 5gal of gas per MONTH.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.

    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    My thoughts are that Federal taxes should be gradually raised over a period of years to the point where (if this had been done in previous years at the current cost of gas) today's price would be $7 a gallon. People would be buying cars that get great mileage and clamoring for car manufacturers to improve efficiency.

    And. I wouldn't have to guess whether the aisle behind me was clear as I tried to see around the big, honkin' SUV sitting next to me.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My thoughts are that Federal taxes should be gradually raised over a period of years to the point where (if this had been done in previous years at the current cost of gas) today's price would be $7 a gallon. People would be buying cars that get great mileage and clamoring for car manufacturers to improve efficiency.

    And. I wouldn't have to guess whether the aisle behind me was clear as I tried to see around the big, honkin' SUV sitting next to me.
    Trouble is that still ties USA to volitile world price for oil. My plan would have stable USA only prices for gas for most people.
    This way, they can get to work, and not be subject to OPEC and war price spikes. Only the Hummer owner would get nailed by Iran troubles etc.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    This really won't work. There is no reason to favor US oil over foreign oil...it's all the same stuff. If this plan were implemented, you might succeed in diverting all the US oil to be used in the US, but really what would be the point of that? Both the US and foreign oil would still be used by consumers, and the producers of both would earn roughly the same amount of profit (sans differences in shipping costs). All that would change is that they'd just ship the foreign oil to some other country instead of the US. And since there isn't enough US-produced oil to meet 100% of the US demand, it would just cause the price of gas to go up. And although I support a gas tax, this is a needlessly complicated and protectionist scheme.

    As for the "moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs"...I should note that our largest supplier of foreign oil is Canada, which accounts for more oil imports than all the Middle Eastern countries combined.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My thoughts are that Federal taxes should be gradually raised over a period of years to the point where (if this had been done in previous years at the current cost of gas) today's price would be $7 a gallon. People would be buying cars that get great mileage and clamoring for car manufacturers to improve efficiency.

    And. I wouldn't have to guess whether the aisle behind me was clear as I tried to see around the big, honkin' SUV sitting next to me.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    What would the implications be on our trading partners if we nationalized our oil in this manner and put a tariff so outrageous on theirs that it was a de facto embargo?

    What would the economic consequences be for the low-income Americans who can't afford a more fuel-efficient vehicle right now?

    Gas prices don't need to be "controlled," because that often times ends up with some sort of subsidy, which is just an act of hiding from consumers the true cost of the commodity they're purchasing. Asking them to pay a dollar from their wallet while sneaking two more from their back pocket at the same time. Gas prices just need to accurately reflect the world's supply and demand. This is achieved by getting government to stop ****ing with the market.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What would the implications be on our trading partners if we nationalized our oil in this manner and put a tariff so outrageous on theirs that it was a de facto embargo?

    What would the economic consequences be for the low-income Americans who can't afford a more fuel-efficient vehicle right now?

    Gas prices don't need to be "controlled," because that often times ends up with some sort of subsidy, which is just an act of hiding from consumers the true cost of the commodity they're purchasing. Asking them to pay a dollar from their wallet while sneaking two more from their back pocket at the same time. Gas prices just need to accurately reflect the world's supply and demand. This is achieved by getting government to stop ****ing with the market.
    its not a tarriff, its a tax the same as the UE has......

    Low income would benefit greatly by low (USA only price) gas prices. Even if they cant afford a $700 China scooter.

    World market IS THE PROBLEM. Time USA cuts off the problem.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    its not a tarriff, its a tax the same as the UE has......

    Low income would benefit greatly by low (USA only price) gas prices. Even if they cant afford a $700 China scooter.

    World market IS THE PROBLEM. Time USA cuts off the problem.
    You didn't address my questions at all. What would that do to our trading status with a large number of other countries? What in your scenario causes gas prices to be low? "USA only price gas prices" doesn't help anyone understand what you think causes prices to be low in your scenario. It's just a supply restriction and consumption cap. That makes lives of ordinary Americans much more difficult logistically and thus economically, and puts upward pressure on prices, as far as I can see.

    I'm sure that whatever the case, there would be some eventual upsides in some respects if we implemented it (although I voted No). My argument though is just that I don't think you're representing the reality of your scenario very well. I.e. you are ignoring or denying many the implications (some of which would be profound).
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 10-25-12 at 02:26 PM.

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