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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My thoughts are that Federal taxes should be gradually raised over a period of years to the point where (if this had been done in previous years at the current cost of gas) today's price would be $7 a gallon. People would be buying cars that get great mileage and clamoring for car manufacturers to improve efficiency.

    And. I wouldn't have to guess whether the aisle behind me was clear as I tried to see around the big, honkin' SUV sitting next to me.
    You should move over here to europe. You'd LOVE it! Gas prices rape your wallet on a daily basis. (~$8/gal)

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    I'm sorry bro, but this is a terrible idea. Gas is still cheaper here than in the rest of the world.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No, never. Americans should not "share" and be forced to ration, we're not that kind of country.
    What kind of country are you?

    Do you even know?

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Did Bush issue a drilling moratoriam? No, he didn't, Obama bypassed Congress, and the federal courts. You have NO defense for this.
    US oil production is at its highest point since 1998. That only happens because the US gov't has allowed it to. Public or Private, you cannot drill for oil without proper permits.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    US oil production is at its highest point since 1998. That only happens because the US gov't has allowed it to. Public or Private, you cannot drill for oil without proper permits.

    Big mystery: U.S. oil production hits 14-year high, gas prices not at 14-year low | Grist
    Ummm...

    You are going to have to present the law that allows the federal government to determine who gets to produce oil on private lands.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You should move over here to europe. You'd LOVE it! Gas prices rape your wallet on a daily basis. (~$8/gal)
    Look at it this way: High gas prices are terrible for individuals, but great for the economy.

    If you subscribe to peak oil, then you'll likely find the idea of a coming economic decline(due to the fall of the oil industry) valid. I find that high gas prices will force the implementation of an alternate infrastructure. And, well, the same is true about a lot; we'll be more ready to stop doing something if it's not working.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Look at it this way: High gas prices are terrible for individuals, but great for the economy.

    If you subscribe to peak oil, then you'll likely find the idea of a coming economic decline(due to the fall of the oil industry) valid. I find that high gas prices will force the implementation of an alternate infrastructure. And, well, the same is true about a lot; we'll be more ready to stop doing something if it's not working.
    Taking money from the middle class to give it to rich oil tycoons is never good for the economy.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Taking money from the middle class to give it to rich oil tycoons is never good for the economy.
    Not exactly. If this money is given by the government, with the condition that is be used to develop a renewables infrastructure, then it is.

    Look at it this way:
    1.) Gas tax is raised
    2.) Government gives said funds to private sector companies under strict conditions.
    2.) This subsequently allows them to develop a renewables infrastructure more rapidly.

    Essentially, we give the responsibility of developing this new economy to already established institutions(as they already have many of the necessary resources, engineers included).

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Not exactly. If this money is given by the government, with the condition that is be used to develop a renewables infrastructure, then it is.

    Look at it this way:
    1.) Gas tax is raised
    2.) Government gives said funds to private sector companies under strict conditions.
    2.) This subsequently allows them to develop a renewables infrastructure more rapidly.

    Essentially, we give the responsibility of developing this new economy to already established institutions(as they already have many of the necessary resources, engineers included).
    I see, so by taking more money from the middle class, and then giving it to private companies, you're actually HELPING the middle class? Interesting theory.

    I know this comes down to personal preference, but I personally deplore redistributing wealth towards the rich.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    Crude oil is depleted in the USA, and the currently popular pretence that it is not, is just a political propaganda. But even if it was plenty in the USA, it is against the interest of every commodity trader, including oil companies, to drive the supply above the exact match of the temporal demand. This is because with an EXACT match to demand, any slight fluctuation in the supply (such as a hurricane) will cause a sky-rocketing spike in the price, in other words, free cash to the trader.

    So, I support the gas card idea, but not for the consumer, but for the trader. And I disagree that any of the problem is to do with usage (such as the Hummer example), I think it is easier to look at it as per the economic aspect of it. In an economic sense, gas is like another taxation, but at a pervasive flat rate. Since the government controls taxes and uses taxation for the behavioral modification of the general public, it would make sense to include gas in the programs/legislations.

    The implementation method as proposed in the OP ignores that all such things are balancing acts, and I believe that the (unintended?) results of it would be that it puts people out of their jobs (or whatever is left of that). The OP is exactly as scary as a liberal initiative.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is true. Fracking, getting oil from tar sands, and deepwater drilling are not optimal. However I don't blame prices for the production but rather I blame production of these types on the regulatory nature. Prices spike when inefficiencies exist, because the shallow stuff we still have is not exploitable we have to go to the less optimal system, which then spikes the consumer price. Government could help out quite a bit by getting out of the way.
    Under 247's plan anything would be stupid. There would be a total profit elimination in strict land drilling. From what I understand we have at least triple production, where the equation fails is on the refinement end as we are in a refinery shrinkage period. Thus it doesn't matter if we produce or import crude we simply don't have the capacity to meet demand because instead of building more refineries we have to repair and retrofit, or close. Much of that is due to regs.
    I think we agree completely that regulation really hods up the price of oil, so let's get past that. I also think that it is physically possible to make America oil independent, but the time it would take a while to exploit these resources would be quite long. I also doubt that the public would accept deregulation of offshore drilling after the BP disaster.
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