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Thread: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    Your dreaming if you think the oil companies will ever give up all that free oil they pump off our land and coastlines. We pay them to find and drill it and they sell it to us at the world market price. It's a good business if you can get it.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    Stupid idea.

    We should be trying to REDUCE the size, scope and power of the government...not give it the power to decide how much gas you can have or how much you'll pay for it.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Stupid idea.

    We should be trying to REDUCE the size, scope and power of the government...not give it the power to decide how much gas you can have or how much you'll pay for it.
    its the JOB of gov to do what the people need and end extorsion. Like the extorsion of the auto and oil corps.

    Just like Gov ended the "Patent" medicine trade...........

    Your CEO's control healthcare, and look at the prices we pay for that......NOPE, your CEO running anything is agianst Ameriica.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    its the JOB of gov to do what the people need and end extorsion. Like the extorsion of the auto and oil corps.
    There is no extortion, they sell a product at market price to the dealer who retails it at MSRP. It is not the government's "job" to exert authority it doesn't have over markets, and AS A MATTER OF FACT most of the increases in automobile prices come from additional government mandated devices.

    Just like Gov ended the "Patent" medicine trade...........
    You do realize there is still a twenty year patent protection in effect on new medicines on the date of filing right? Generics are licensed and that is typically within 5-10 years. That argument is false.

    Your CEO's control healthcare, and look at the prices we pay for that......NOPE, your CEO running anything is agianst Ameriica.
    Okay, CEOs set general company policy and direction whereas claims and underwriters accept or decline claims. Thanks to government interference it is now mandatory to buy these health policies. Thank you in advance for conceding that government interference has consequences.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There is no extortion, they sell a product at market price to the dealer who retails it at MSRP. It is not the government's "job" to exert authority it doesn't have over markets, and AS A MATTER OF FACT most of the increases in automobile prices come from additional government mandated devices.

    You do realize there is still a twenty year patent protection in effect on new medicines on the date of filing right? Generics are licensed and that is typically within 5-10 years. That argument is false.

    Okay, CEOs set general company policy and direction whereas claims and underwriters accept or decline claims. Thanks to government interference it is now mandatory to buy these health policies. Thank you in advance for conceding that government interference has consequences.
    yes it is the Gov job to prevent extorsion and monopolys....read federal law.

    God are you ignorant. here is some help.
    Patent medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Yes, my being FORCED to buy REAL healthcare for $20 month will be SO SO SO terrible! LMAO!

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    yes it is the Gov job to prevent extorsion and monopolys....read federal law.

    God are you ignorant. here is some help.
    Patent medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Yes, my being FORCED to buy REAL healthcare for $20 month will be SO SO SO terrible! LMAO!
    Heaven forbid I should confuse a medicinal patent with "patent medicine" which you should have put in quotes BTW. Patent medicines aren't all illegal, the difference is they don't fall under FDA laws because they aren't licensed, the only one's illegal had either 1) Harmful side effects shown in a lab or 2) A component which was already an illegal substance such as cocaine, heroine, etc.

    Anyway. Fraud is illegal, but this has nothing to do with your idea or argument. You are asserting that commerce is harmful because it shows a profit component which shows a lack of fundamental economic understanding, then you are appealing to things that government has a legitimate right to hinder such as fraud and other harmful activities. I understand, you don't like something so you want to play an equation that genralizes but it isn't applicable.

    EDIT - The health law compels policies to be purchased and the price went up. 20$ a month is not gonna happen, more like a 120$ policy just became 300$.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    My brand new 18gpm Ford F150 Truck says **** this plan. Yeehaw and God bless.




    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    its the JOB of gov to do what the people need and end extorsion. Like the extorsion of the auto and oil corps.

    Just like Gov ended the "Patent" medicine trade...........

    Your CEO's control healthcare, and look at the prices we pay for that......NOPE, your CEO running anything is agianst Ameriica.
    It is the job of the PEOPLE to do what they need...not the government. Your attitude is what has gotten us in so much trouble. That and people like you who would rather the government make your decisions for you instead of having the sense of responsibility to make them for yourselves.

    I hope to god nobody takes your idea seriously and tries to implement it. Government price controls have only one result: Shortages.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    I don't really understand why the US supply has to be separate from global supply. What would this do besides massively distort the market and satisfy some economically-clueless protectionists? US supply is not nearly high enough to meet demand. We simply do not have enough oil. The price would shoot up if not for price controls. These controls would only create a shortage. Prices are not simply determinants for how many ivory back-scratchers corporate fat-cats can buy. They are critical in determining how resources can be used most efficiently in an economy. When the government sets prices, it creates shortages or gluts, and resources are misallocated. Price controls lead to rationing. The rationing would fail, because people could simply buy and sell points. So you you would be replicating the old, evil market, except now it's less efficient. You create a bunch exemptions, but this only invites people to get past your scheme or make it not work, so that we have the same problems as before, except for the loss in efficiency caused by people getting around your scheme. Sorry, 247, but this is a terrible idea that simply piles one misunderstanding of basic economics onto another. I suggest you read up before you talk about the "Evils of Free Trade".
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I don't really understand why the US supply has to be separate from global supply. What would this do besides massively distort the market and satisfy some economically-clueless protectionists?
    We are in a global market, which is what some are trying hard to not understand. The problem with protectionism is it always comes back to bite you, markets are not static, they are dynamic which means when you screw a trading partner over it will always be remembered and paid back.
    US supply is not nearly high enough to meet demand.
    We'll have to disagree here, with the regulatory climate we have now you are correct, however the gulf region alone has about the oil potential of the U.A.E. and Iran combined, ANWR, or at least the sliver of it desired for drilling has an estimated double to triple the potential of Saudi Arabia, and the west coast has vast reserves. This is before fracking, and Canada is ridiculously oil rich as well, they are a fantastic American ally so I just don't buy the domestic shortage argument from a free market standpoint. Regulatory......different case altogether.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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