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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your idea is mathematically flawed. We can't produce enough oil domestically to meet our needs.
    No its not.

    rough figures.

    Say 40% reduction in gas use is needed to meet rising domestic production. (i am ONLY talking about 48% of USA oil use that is gas)

    50% of USA cars are SUV or truck, get rid of most of those. Replace with 40mpg cars.
    some buy electric cars
    some buy scooters

    That would EASLY cut 40% off USA gas use.

    SUV guy example.

    per 1000 miles

    SUV 66 gal gas
    Eco cruze 25 gal (still a gas car - if he went electric this is ZERO)

    There is massive cut in gas use right there.........way more than 40% for the SAME drive time.

    So if car gas use is cut 50%, then that means about a 25% reduction in over all oil use.

    Now we are down to 14.75 mbpd. ever so close to USA production.........
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    No its not.

    rough figures.

    Say 40% reduction in gas use is needed to meet rising domestic production. (i am ONLY talking about 48% of USA oil use that is gas)

    50% of USA cars are SUV or truck, get rid of most of those. Replace with 40mpg cars.
    some buy electric cars
    some buy scooters

    That would EASLY cut 40% off USA gas use.

    SUV guy example.

    per 1000 miles

    SUV 66 gal gas
    Eco cruze 25 gal (still a gas car - if he went electric this is ZERO)

    There is massive cut in gas use right there.........way more than 40% for the SAME drive time.

    So if car gas use is cut 50%, then that means about a 25% reduction in over all oil use.

    Now we are down to 14.75 mbpd. ever so close to USA production.........
    So in other words if you can successfully FORCE people to live down by cost the numbers should bear out. It's not going to happen, people need trucks for work purposes, families need larger vehicles and they will have to use them. So that burns off at least 20 percent of your supposed "savings", as well people use other petroleum products such as jet fuel, so I guess business travel has to be regulated under this plan, people use heating oil so I guess they'll just have to use an electric heater which uses fossil fuel plants(oops), products still have to get to market which requires diesel powered rigs, all of these come from the same gallon of gas. Your numbers will not line up.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    First of all, the US doesn't import any oil from Iran. Fail.
    Second of all, only 12.9% of our oil supply comes from the entire Persian Gulf REGION. Canada alone supplies us with more oil than all of those countries.
    And I have no idea what your offhand reference to "currency manipulation" has to do with oil, but I'm going to assume it's just some random rambling instead of an actual economic point.



    If the profit is there, it's going to happen whether it's banned or not. If the REAL price of gas is $3.50 a gallon and I can buy it at $1 a gallon, there is so much opportunity for profit that you can be sure someone will do it. This will lead to a shortage of $1 gasoline and leave most consumers paying your insane $9 rate.



    Why wouldn't a simple gas tax/rebate do exactly the same thing? It benefits those who don't use much gasoline, at the expense of those who do. Tax everyone $1 per gallon of gas they consume, then cut everyone a check for the amount of revenue per capita. A much simpler scheme, same result. Minus the incomprehensible protectionism aspect of it.



    Energy independence cannot be achieved by passing a law declaring it. That isn't how the real world works. I question why "energy independence" is even a worthwhile goal in the first place, but in any case it's simple math: The US only produces 30% of the amount of oil it consumes. That is a FACT, and no amount of legislative wand-waving changes it.



    So only the oil that is used in gas would be taxed at this higher rate? Then the foreign oil would just be used in those other sectors instead. What would that accomplish?



    OK, your argument is so incoherent and poorly thought out that I think I'm done here. Suffice it to say that your scheme doesn't work. Have a good day.
    Well you dont even understand the oil market..........

    IRan oil embargo and threats of closing Hormuze RAISES oil price. The WORLD oil price we all pay. no YOU FAIL! LMAO

    Currency manipulation allows the UE with a high currency, to buy oil, traded in USD, at a CHEAP price becasue the dollar has fallen for 10 yearss. Agian, FAIL.

    You still cant figure out that you would only be allowed to buy say 50 gal month of USA gas?

    30% ???? WOW, you are an idiot. Go to EIA site and learn to read.

    EIA quote
    "The United States relied on net imports (imports minus exports) for about 45% of the petroleum (crude oil and petroleum products) that we consumed in 2011"
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So in other words if you can successfully FORCE people to live down by cost the numbers should bear out. It's not going to happen, people need trucks for work purposes, families need larger vehicles and they will have to use them. So that burns off at least 20 percent of your supposed "savings", as well people use other petroleum products such as jet fuel, so I guess business travel has to be regulated under this plan, people use heating oil so I guess they'll just have to use an electric heater which uses fossil fuel plants(oops), products still have to get to market which requires diesel powered rigs, all of these come from the same gallon of gas. Your numbers will not line up.
    Work trucks are not included......

    Family can use 40 mpg, 4 door eco cruze just fine.........and there are electric vans too.

    Jets not included........

    Trucks not included

    nice try at more distractions.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Work trucks are not included......

    Family can use 40 mpg, 4 door eco cruze just fine.........and there are electric vans too.
    So a work truck that doubles as a family vehicle is now exempt? Great, so everyone now can buy a utility vehicle and avoid the ration. Thanks for the clarification, BTW, most family vehicles are used to get to work so they should get a utility vehicle exemption too yes?

    Jets not included........
    Why not, they use more fuel than commuter vehicles? And the fuel takes away from the supply of other fuels per gallon?

    Trucks not included
    Again, why not?

    nice try at more distractions.
    Distractions? No, you I am giving you the myriad of flaws that come with rationing systems and market controls.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So a work truck that doubles as a family vehicle is now exempt? Great, so everyone now can buy a utility vehicle and avoid the ration. Thanks for the clarification, BTW, most family vehicles are used to get to work so they should get a utility vehicle exemption too yes?

    Why not, they use more fuel than commuter vehicles? And the fuel takes away from the supply of other fuels per gallon?

    Again, why not?

    Distractions? No, you I am giving you the myriad of flaws that come with rationing systems and market controls.

    If they want to pay full world price for gas and commercial insurance on a family vehicle fine. Then they can pay that.

    Jet fuel is not gas........and I would eliminate jets by building high speed trains between cities, but that is another issue.

    There are no flaws, it would be cheaper for all since 60% of oil would be priced cheaper.
    details are for experts to worry about. All I am presenting is a basic idea.

    The gas points are tied to the people. They are not tied to a vehicle. No reason a person cant sell his points to his boss for commercial use........
    Again, empowering the person......

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.

    I say no.Mostly because don't like the idea of trying to switch everyone to electric cars. That would drive up demand and cost of electricity, which could result in many areas of the country facing rolling black outs.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Some people are so intent on the government controlling every aspect of the economy deemed imperfect that they cannot be bothered by details such as whether it works or not.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say no.Mostly because don't like the idea of trying to switch everyone to electric cars. That would drive up demand and cost of electricity, which could result in many areas of the country facing rolling black outs.
    1: Electricity is a regulated market, they are not allowed to gouge like the oil corps.

    2: rolling black out cant happen, USA has capacity for 85 or 185 million electric cars with no changes.....(from memory)
    Note the tiny use of power at night of the grid, this is when people would charge cars.

    Live use of a CA electric plant.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Why do Americans say unleaded isn't it just assumed, I've always wondered this?

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