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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Issue each citizen a card good for there share of domestic gas. (unleaded, diesel, premium) Current gas card holders would use there current cards.


    Domestic gas is local price only, taxed 25% of present tax and priced at low USA price. It cant be sold overseas so the price will remain low. Other restrictions might be needed, that’s for the experts to figure out.

    Imported gas is dyed and taxed $4.00 a gallon added to WORLD price.

    This way those of us that conserve and help America do not pay for the moron with a hummer that enjoys bowing to Arabs.

    You are free to trade your domestic gas points to other card holders. (hence a great $ boost to those with scooters and electric cars)

    The infrastructure is there. The old regular – unleaded split. So there is no big investment needed.
    I have a better idea lady. Drive something that dont use gas. Then you dont have a gas bill at all. Electric works well for commuting short to mid range. Then there ethanol. I like that because I can make that myself very inexpensively.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Your not getting it.

    its NOT the same stuff. It has two SEPERATE markets and is taxed at two massivly different rates.
    Shipping the oil we use now to other places IS THE POINT. We dont need it and dont want to pay for it.

    As for the high consumption gas users, they would pay a high price. NOT subsidzed by the poor that only use there USA gas share.

    And remember price of gas is two seperate prices. Say $1 gal domestic gas, and $9 gal imported gas.

    protection ism is what keeps US CITIZENS from eating rat meat and rice every day...........
    actually no protectionismis what has kept peoplepoor.look at the great depression,many argue that keynesian theories kept peoplefrom moving up,but in reality it was price fixing and tariffs which had hurt everyone,and had been shown by history to do nothing but harm since the roman empire.

    for your own theories to work it would require the ending of all trade,which in result would end all us dominence and make everyone super poor.just look at the depression.,cotton and wheat prices were controlled by the govt by productionlimits.did it helpanyone with their tariffs and price controls????no it allowed russia who couldnt even feed its own people due to its own failed collectivist policies to dominate the wheat export market because they chose a free market path despite being a comunist in name only country.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    So the speeling cop attacks the engineer.........go F**** yourself.

    You want math, compare the wages of a BS "ant" in china and a USA BS holder......and guess who is working at all.......
    If you're claiming to be any kind of “engineer”, then I'm calling BS on that claim. If you were intelligent and educated enough to be any kind of engineer, then you'd also be literate enough to write at better than an elementary-school level, which you very clearly and obviously are not.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    That would be correct, were I not an advocate of progressive taxation. You seem to have gotten this whole idea that I(a socialist) want to redistribute wealth upwards, and it's just not the case. This money would go directly to the implementation of a renewables infrastructure, not to anybody's pockets. And further, using progressive taxation, only those who can afford to bear the financial burden would do so.
    Only the rich would bear the burden of $8 / gallon? Consider a poor family. Say the father has a job 20 miles away, and his car gets 20 miles per gallon. So, round trip it takes him 2 gallons of gas to get to and from work. What used to cost him $8 (or about 1.5 hours of minimum wage) now costs him $16 (about 3 hours of minimum wage). That extra $8 was probably his family's budget for food that day.

    Your not considering the human toll of your theories. Increased gas prices will always affect the poor much more than rich.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Only the rich would bear the burden of $8 / gallon? Consider a poor family. Say the father has a job 20 miles away, and his car gets 20 miles per gallon. So, round trip it takes him 2 gallons of gas to get to and from work. What used to cost him $8 (or about 1.5 hours of minimum wage) now costs him $16 (about 3 hours of minimum wage). That extra $8 was probably his family's budget for food that day.

    Your not considering the human toll of your theories. Increased gas prices will always affect the poor much more than rich.
    That makes a lot of sense - which is why I enjoy debating you so much - but you're missing a few pieces.

    Let's take it a step further. You're a big economics guy right? Then you should understand that gas prices are rising on their own.

    Let's do another logical progression:
    1.) Supplies of oil are going down, while global demand is increasing.
    2.) Thus, the price of oil is rising.
    3.) When the price of oil rises, many people(namely the poor and middle class) will be stretched thin and loose some access to gas. The same thing works for all non-renewable energy resources.
    4.) When folks loose much of their access to energy, their standard of living goes down.
    5.) This will inevitabley hit folks of all incomes, forcing the development of new fuels.
    6.) But the power companies will also be hit and loose access to many of their resources(funds, facilities, employees).
    7.) Thus, the development of a renewables infrastructure will begin from the ground up, as opposed to being brought on my a developed economy.

    This transfer will come, but the increased taxation of gas will make it much more fluid and less damaging. In order to balance the impact, a progressive system could also be put in place, providing tax write offs for those below certain incomes.

    You get where I'm coming from, right?

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    That makes a lot of sense - which is why I enjoy debating you so much - but you're missing a few pieces.

    Let's take it a step further. You're a big economics guy right? Then you should understand that gas prices are rising on their own.

    Let's do another logical progression:
    1.) Supplies of oil are going down, while global demand is increasing.
    2.) Thus, the price of oil is rising.
    3.) When the price of oil rises, many people(namely the poor and middle class) will be stretched thin and loose some access to gas. The same thing works for all non-renewable energy resources.
    4.) When folks loose much of their access to energy, their standard of living goes down.
    5.) This will inevitabley hit folks of all incomes, forcing the development of new fuels.
    6.) But the power companies will also be hit and loose access to many of their resources(funds, facilities, employees).
    7.) Thus, the development of a renewables infrastructure will begin from the ground up, as opposed to being brought on my a developed economy.

    This transfer will come, but the increased taxation of gas will make it much more fluid and less damaging. In order to balance the impact, a progressive system could also be put in place, providing tax write offs for those below certain incomes.

    You get where I'm coming from, right?
    Oh yeah, I get it, you're not telling me anything I don't know. I'm not saying the price of gas is increasing because of the government. I am however combatting your notion that "high gas prices are good for the economy."

    If you really want the government to pay for fancy new things like energy research, get the funding only from progressive taxes, not from artificially jacking up the cost of gas.
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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

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    Supply and demand, my ass. When the illustrious GWShiiteForBrains kicked off his GWBush Great Depression, energy demand dropped by about 30% and where was the commensurate drop in prices?

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    STILL wondering how this "fair share" will be computed, and by whom.

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Let the market do its thing and get the central planners out of the way

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    Re: Idea to control gas prices and help conversion to electric cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Watson View Post
    Let the market do its thing and get the central planners out of the way
    This is, of course, the only solution that will really work.

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