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    Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

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    Guns, climate, gays missing in presidential race

    "The 2012 presidential campaign, not just the debates, has focused heavily from the start on jobs, pushing other once high-profile issues to the sidelines. It dismays activists who have spent decades promoting environmental issues, gay rights, gun control and other topics, sometimes managing to lift them to the top tiers of national attention and debate."

    "Last June, 3,100 U.S. temperature records were broken and much of the nation was in drought, said Daniel Kessler, spokesman for 350 Action Fund, which tries to raise awareness of global warming. And yet the three presidential debates, and the sole vice presidential forum, produced "absolute silence on climate science," Kessler said.
    He said he believes voters would respond favorably "if candidates put out a bold vision" on climate change. Instead, the topic generates far less discussion than it did four years ago. Other topics suffering downgrades in presidential campaign attention include:
    GUNS"

    "He told Hispanic leaders in June he would replace Obama's executive order allowing 800,000 young illegal immigrants to remain in the country with a long-term solution. But Romney didn't detail his plans, and immigration has played a smaller role in the general election than it did in the primary."


    "The gay-oriented group Log Cabin Republicans gave Romney a somewhat tepid endorsement. "If LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice," the Log Cabin Republicans endorsement said. The group said it believed Romney would do a better job of cutting spending and creating jobs.
    Those are precisely the issues that have dominated the campaign, often in basic discussions that don't go far beyond platitudes. Both campaigns have warned of the looming "fiscal cliff" - the package of huge tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to hit Jan. 1 - but no one has come close to offering a viable solution."

    I'm surprised more has not been discussed regarding these issues.

    I'm a Green, so the climate change discussion is a big deal to me.

    I'm pro gun but also think it is a phony issue because noone really suggest taking away our guns.

    I thinks gays are nuts, but if they want to marry, it's OK by me.

    I thnk a hard working immigrant is an asset to the Nation and deport the bums.

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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    I don't know why I didn't get the poll option.

    Questions:
    Have Obama and Romney agreed not to discuss these issues?

    Has the media agreed not to raise questions regarding thse issues?

    Noone gives a rat's ass about these issues.

    "The ignorance of the electorate cannot be underestimated."

    This reflects a "framing" of political rhetoric.

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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't know why I didn't get the poll option.

    Questions:
    Have Obama and Romney agreed not to discuss these issues?

    Has the media agreed not to raise questions regarding thse issues?

    Noone gives a rat's ass about these issues.

    "The ignorance of the electorate cannot be underestimated."

    This reflects a "framing" of political rhetoric.
    Other.

    TMiddle East and the economy, Obamacare and taxes - they're all big ticket issues that everyone care about, the ones you listed aren't. Further, the issues you listed won't swing undecided voters(A pro-gun voter will probably go for Romney, while green/homosexual voters will probably go for Obama)

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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post

    Noone gives a rat's ass about these issues.

    This is the only obvious choice from your poll answers.

    The "real" reason is those issues, while important, are far FAR FAR less important than other issues like jobs, economy, and foreign policy.

    Simple as that.

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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    This is the only obvious choice from your poll answers.

    The "real" reason is those issues, while important, are far FAR FAR less important than other issues like jobs, economy, and foreign policy.

    Simple as that.
    So the climate is less important than deciding how we wreak havoc overseas?

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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    News From AP | TBO.com=

    Guns, climate, gays missing in presidential race

    "The 2012 presidential campaign, not just the debates, has focused heavily from the start on jobs, pushing other once high-profile issues to the sidelines. It dismays activists who have spent decades promoting environmental issues, gay rights, gun control and other topics, sometimes managing to lift them to the top tiers of national attention and debate."

    "Last June, 3,100 U.S. temperature records were broken and much of the nation was in drought, said Daniel Kessler, spokesman for 350 Action Fund, which tries to raise awareness of global warming. And yet the three presidential debates, and the sole vice presidential forum, produced "absolute silence on climate science," Kessler said.
    He said he believes voters would respond favorably "if candidates put out a bold vision" on climate change. Instead, the topic generates far less discussion than it did four years ago. Other topics suffering downgrades in presidential campaign attention include:
    GUNS"

    "He told Hispanic leaders in June he would replace Obama's executive order allowing 800,000 young illegal immigrants to remain in the country with a long-term solution. But Romney didn't detail his plans, and immigration has played a smaller role in the general election than it did in the primary."


    "The gay-oriented group Log Cabin Republicans gave Romney a somewhat tepid endorsement. "If LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice," the Log Cabin Republicans endorsement said. The group said it believed Romney would do a better job of cutting spending and creating jobs.
    Those are precisely the issues that have dominated the campaign, often in basic discussions that don't go far beyond platitudes. Both campaigns have warned of the looming "fiscal cliff" - the package of huge tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to hit Jan. 1 - but no one has come close to offering a viable solution."

    I'm surprised more has not been discussed regarding these issues.

    I'm a Green, so the climate change discussion is a big deal to me.

    I'm pro gun but also think it is a phony issue because noone really suggest taking away our guns.

    I thinks gays are nuts, but if they want to marry, it's OK by me.

    I thnk a hard working immigrant is an asset to the Nation and deport the bums.
    The issue I'm surprised no one addressed head on is that of student loans. It's the elephant in the room.

    I'm also surprised Romney hasn't run more on his record in Massachuetts. It's pretty impressive; including his program to reward the top 25% of high school graduates with a full-ride scholarship to state universities and colleges. The current governor (a Democrat) is trying to institute more education reforms, including 2 extra free years of schooling at either a community college or vocational school. This is pretty impressive stuff.
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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    News From AP | TBO.com=
    
    Guns, climate, gays missing in presidential race 
    
    "The 2012 presidential campaign, not just the debates, has focused heavily from the start on jobs, pushing other once high-profile issues to the sidelines. It dismays activists who have spent decades promoting environmental issues, gay rights, gun control and other topics, sometimes managing to lift them to the top tiers of national attention and debate."
    
    "Last June, 3,100 U.S. temperature records were broken and much of the nation was in drought, said Daniel Kessler, spokesman for 350 Action Fund, which tries to raise awareness of global warming. And yet the three presidential debates, and the sole vice presidential forum, produced "absolute silence on climate science," Kessler said.
    He said he believes voters would respond favorably "if candidates put out a bold vision" on climate change. Instead, the topic generates far less discussion than it did four years ago. Other topics suffering downgrades in presidential campaign attention include:
    GUNS"
    
    "He told Hispanic leaders in June he would replace Obama's executive order allowing 800,000 young illegal immigrants to remain in the country with a long-term solution. But Romney didn't detail his plans, and immigration has played a smaller role in the general election than it did in the primary."
    
    
    "The gay-oriented group Log Cabin Republicans gave Romney a somewhat tepid endorsement. "If LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) issues are a voter's highest or only priority, then Governor Romney may not be that voter's choice," the Log Cabin Republicans endorsement said. The group said it believed Romney would do a better job of cutting spending and creating jobs.
    Those are precisely the issues that have dominated the campaign, often in basic discussions that don't go far beyond platitudes. Both campaigns have warned of the looming "fiscal cliff" - the package of huge tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to hit Jan. 1 - but no one has come close to offering a viable solution."
    
    I'm surprised more has not been discussed regarding these issues.
    
    I'm a Green, so the climate change discussion is a big deal to me.
    
    I'm pro gun but also think it is a phony issue because noone really suggest taking away our guns.
    
    I thinks gays are nuts, but if they want to marry, it's OK by me.
    
    I thnk a hard working immigrant is an asset to the Nation and deport the bums
    .

    I don't know about illegal immigration or the gay marriage issue but I do remember that both of them were asked about how they were going to **** on the 2nd amendment even more.(not literally but metaphorically)


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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Guns are simply not an issue in this campaign cycle because of one clear and unmistakable reality: the gun lobby has so completely and utterly won the day on this issue that nobody dare even bring it up at the cost of being labeled falsely as a gun grabber or anti-Second Amendment. This is a new sort of McCarthyism on this issue that has at its core and purpose to prevent and stifle any national debate on the issue whatsoever.
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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Guns are simply not an issue in this campaign cycle because of one clear and unmistakable reality: the gun lobby has so completely and utterly won the day on this issue that nobody dare even bring it up at the cost of being labeled falsely as a gun grabber or anti-Second Amendment. This is a new sort of McCarthyism on this issue that has at its core and purpose to prevent and stifle any national debate on the issue whatsoever.
    Guns were brought up

    Debate Fact Check: Romney and Obama talk assault weapons - Crimesider - CBS News

    Romney, Obama, and Automatic Weapons - By Charles C. W. Cooke - The Corner - National Review Online
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Why are these issues avoided in this Presidential campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    So the climate is less important than deciding how we wreak havoc overseas?
    1) you do understand that's number 3 on my list
    2) if you have a family member in the military - yes
    3) from a financial standpoint - it clearly ties right back in with the economy
    4) Iran, the Middle East, and oil are pretty darn important issues the President has to deal with

    If you're jobless, on the brink of bankruptcy, a few weeks shy of losing your home, or have a child/family member/friend/relative in Afghanistan, I'd bet your concerns about the polar ice melting away a few hundred years from now are far down on your list of priorities.

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