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Thread: Fukushima: Revisited

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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    You must be living in a closet. How many nuke reactors are in the ocean's from submarine accidents? I've got some real estate to sell you just Northwest of Cinncinnati. Hanford. Almagordo. TMI. I''ve got a great deal on some slightly glowing fuel rods for you. I'm pretty sure you will have to ship them yourself, but what a deal. You won't have to heat your home no mo'.

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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Except you know, Chernobyl and Fukushima.

    The present Chernobyl exclusion (no entry) zone to this day after 26 years continues to be approx 20-40 miles around the plant, that's a a total area of around 20-30k square miles. Chernobyl got lucky because it was in the middle of no where, Fukushima got lucky in that the prevailing winds blew much of the radiation out to sea (or they just dumped it in the ocean) but many, most reactors won't have that luxury.

    Can you imagine if San Onofre has an earthquake? Buh bye LA, orange county and San Diego.
    Fukushima death tally: Zero.

    Bottom line.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Fukushima death tally: Zero.

    Bottom line.

    Direct deaths to date: Zero

    However future deaths are very likely.

    Frank N. von Hippel, a U.S. scientist, has estimated that "on the order of 1,000" people will die from cancer as a result of their exposure to radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi disaster, that is, an increase of 0.1% in the incidence of cancer, and much less than the approximately 20,000 people killed directly by the earthquake and tsunami. Because contaminated milk was "interdicted in Japan" the number of (mostly non-fatal) thyroid cancer cases will probably be less than 1% of similar cases at Chernobyl. Von Hippel added that "fear of ionizing radiation could have long-term psychological effects on a large portion of the population in the contaminated areas"
    let us also not forget that the situation is far from over and still very dangerous, It could become much much worse.

    Reactor building #4 which has over a 1000 spend fuel rods which are still highly radioactive are sitting in a cooling pool which is unstable. The greatest fear is another earthquake or like occurrence which may cause the building/pool to collapse or otherwise drain. This will likely result in a massive meltdown and subsequent radiation event. Conservative estimates predict 5-10 times the radiation that the Chernobyl accident caused.

    True nothing further may happen and this may be viewed as a overall minor event by some. I however view nuclear power as something potentially very dangerous and not something we should continue. While other forms of energy production may cause more deaths or environmental harm none of them can ruin the world in a single event like nuclear power can. Why risk the planet on the off chance of a major catastrophe?
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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Fukushima death tally: Zero.

    Bottom line.
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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Fukushima death tally: Zero.

    Bottom line.
    Thousands More Radiation-Related Deaths Expected From ...


    Thousands More Radiation-Related Deaths Expected From Fukushima, Study | Asian Scientist Magazine | Science, Technology and Medicine News Updates From Asia

    Stanford Study Estimates 130 Deaths From Fukushima-Daiichi ...


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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You must be living in a closet. How many nuke reactors are in the ocean's from submarine accidents? I've got some real estate to sell you just Northwest of Cinncinnati. Hanford. Almagordo. TMI. I''ve got a great deal on some slightly glowing fuel rods for you. I'm pretty sure you will have to ship them yourself, but what a deal. You won't have to heat your home no mo'.
    Two. What's your point? They aren't "leaking" anything. They are designed against that and every year their fuel level goes down due to decay and other reactions that are taking place.
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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    Which is a very small increase in the overall number of cancer deaths. 353,000 people in Japan died from cancer in 2010. That makes the increase in cancer deaths from this, even if we assume all of those would be in one year (which they won't) to be 0.368% More likely, they will occur in a much larger time frame, closer to 10 years, so that would make it 0.0368%, which is actually about the same chance if you work in an actual nuclear power plant itself. You have a less chance to die of cancer for this living in Japan than you do of dying because you smoke.
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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is a very small increase in the overall number of cancer deaths. 353,000 people in Japan died from cancer in 2010. That makes the increase in cancer deaths from this, even if we assume all of those would be in one year (which they won't) to be 0.368% More likely, they will occur in a much larger time frame, closer to 10 years, so that would make it 0.0368%, which is actually about the same chance if you work in an actual nuclear power plant itself. You have a less chance to die of cancer for this living in Japan than you do of dying because you smoke.
    There is some recent study that put your odds of dying from cancer higher if you sit around doing nothing (sedentary life style) than if you smoke which I thought was interesting.

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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    There is some recent study that put your odds of dying from cancer higher if you sit around doing nothing (sedentary life style) than if you smoke which I thought was interesting.
    They may well be correct, which makes it even worse in this case. But the odds of dying from cancer from smoking is something that we know pretty well and they are high.

    What many don't understand, radiation is all around us. The average person receives 200-300 mrad a year of radiation just from natural sources, like the sun, foods, rocks and other natural things we come into contact with, and buildings, including our homes. Damage done to our bodies by radiation can usually be fixed by our bodies quite effectively. Huge doses are extremely harmful, but we aren't talking about huge, acute doses here. We are talking about small doses when it comes to this accident.
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    Re: Fukushima: Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Two. What's your point? They aren't "leaking" anything. They are designed against that and every year their fuel level goes down due to decay and other reactions that are taking place.





    List of sunken nuclear submarines


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    Eight nuclear submarines have sunk as a consequence of either accident or extensive damage: two from the United States Navy, four from the Soviet Navy, and two from the Russian Navy. Only three were lost with all hands: two from the United States Navy and one from the Russian Navy. All sank as a result of accident with the exception of K-27, which was scuttled in the Kara Sea when repair was deemed impossible and decommissioning too expensive. All of the Soviet/Russian submarines belonged to the Northern Fleet. Although the Soviet submarine K-129 (Golf II) carried nuclear ballistic missiles when it sank, it was a diesel-electric submarine and is not in the list below.











    Thresher




    Scorpion




    K-8




    K-219




    K-278

    The location of sunken submarines in the Atlantic


    Of the 8 sinkings, 2 were due to fires, 2 were due to explosions of weapons systems, 1 was due to flooding, 1 was weather-related, and 1 was sunk intentionally due to a damaged nuclear reactor. In 1 case, the cause of sinking is unknown.

    This is just the list of known reactors. They're going to rust, deteriorate and leak radiation. Big time.

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