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  • No, I would have an abortion

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  • No, I would seek out plan B, but if it didn't work I raise it

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    [QUOTE=joko104;1061064465][QUOTE=ChrisL;1061064424]
    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    Intelligence level is primarily inherited. Twin studies and adoption studies have shown that intelligence is primarily inherited

    Is Intelligence Inherited

    So are genetic birth defects, physical abilities and limitations, propensity towards alcoholism and substance abuse, genetic birth defects at birth or health issues later in life, and it arguable that many personality traits are inherited - just like any other upper level mammal, dogs and cats.

    I feel VERY strongly that it is 100% a woman's right to PICK who is the biological father of her children. I also think it is a 100% right of a woman to decide whether or not to have a child, and if so when and by who, provide he is agreeable.

    Other than her right to life, I can think of no greater right a woman has. That is one reason why I see rape as such a horrific crime and that violent rape should be a capital offense.

    Do you think ANY woman who uses a sperm bank says "I don't care about the bio-father's traits, race, intelligence, physical traits, so just pick one randomly or mix different vials together for pot luck?"
    From your "study" (and I use the term loosely - again this is more like an article based upon a study than an actual study).

    "Is There a Gene For Intelligence?
    Although there have been some suggestions, no single gene has yet been conclusively linked to intelligence. Rather it appears to be a case of complex interactions on many levels between many different genes – something known as polygenic inheritance."

    I don't know what you are trying to suggest other than the offspring of criminals are also criminals, and that is simply NOT true.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Again, this is NOT a legitimate study. Find the source of the study, so that the study can be dissected, including the peer reviews.

    So are you saying that children that are the product of rape should automatically be exterminated?
    I am claiming nothing of the sort. I'm pro-choice btw.

    What about the interviewed woman who asked "How can I love my daughter more?"

    How are you going to cope when your 15 year old son reminds you of your rapist whenever you catch a glimpse of him out of the corner of your eye.
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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If the woman elects to have the child, she 100% MUST accept ALL parental responsibilities. The pro-life claim that the mother should just have the child and then toss it off to some adoption agency or foster care is grotesquely immoral in my opinion. To claim "she can just get rid of the child at birth by abandoning the newborn to the government or some kids-for-sale group (which is what adoption agency is)," is as much of "I don't give a damn about children once born" as it gets.
    If it were me, that is what I would do, but there is no requirement that a woman who was raped must not give it up for adoption, any more than there is a requirement that a young girl must not giver her baby up for adoption, just because she was young and stupid, and ended up pregnant.
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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If the woman elects to have the child, she 100% MUST accept ALL parental responsibilities. The pro-life claim that the mother should just have the child and then toss it off to some adoption agency or foster care is grotesquely immoral in my opinion. To claim "she can just get rid of the child at birth by abandoning the newborn to the government or some kids-for-sale group (which is what adoption agency is)," is as much of "I don't give a damn about children once born" as it gets. I was such a newborn and was sent straight to living hell per government policy.
    Your being hypocritical then, forcing YOUR moral judgments onto a woman for wanting to spare the child's life. The same that you would claim a pro-lifer does in cases of abortion.

    I know several people who were adopted and have led perfectly happy and healthy lives.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I am claiming nothing of the sort. I'm pro-choice btw.

    What about the interviewed woman who asked "How can I love my daughter more?"

    How are you going to cope when your 15 year old son reminds you of your rapist whenever you catch a glimpse of him out of the corner of your eye.
    Maybe I would see my child as his own separate human being who is completely innocent of what his sperm donor did? You cannot predict these things. One person might not be able to handle it all, but another person might be able to handle it just fine.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    I understand where this question came from, but damn!

    This is a hell of a question to ask someone...I don't think anyone would truly know what they would do after going through such a traumatic event then getting pregnant from it. It isn't a fair thing to ask anyone to imagine that they get raped and pregnant.

    I honestly find it disgusting. I wish no person would have to go through this or even think about going through it.
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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1061064483][QUOTE=joko104;1061064465]
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    From your "study" (and I use the term loosely - again this is more like an article based upon a study than an actual study).

    "Is There a Gene For Intelligence?
    Although there have been some suggestions, no single gene has yet been conclusively linked to intelligence. Rather it appears to be a case of complex interactions on many levels between many different genes – something known as polygenic inheritance."

    I don't know what you are trying to suggest other than the offspring of criminals are also criminals, and that is simply NOT true.
    Your blowing off the study for lack of absolute DNA mapping is your just blowing off reality with a diversion.

    I don't understand your fixation on criminalism. I am writing about intelligence. Raising a predictablly likely low intelligence child is not something that should be forced upon a woman against her wishes.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    Your blowing off the study for lack of absolute DNA mapping is your just blowing off reality with a diversion.

    I don't understand your fixation on criminalism. I am writing about intelligence. Raising a predictablly likely low intelligence child is not something that should be forced upon a woman against her wishes.
    Anyone can find an study (or an article) to back up their opinion. If the article doesn't stand up to scrutiny and cannot prove a causative link (causative being the KEY word here), then it is nothing but theory and opinion (IOW, a junk study).

    Nobody is talking about forcing the woman to have or keep the child. I simply stated MY opinion, which was asked. What IS your problem anyway?

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I understand where this question came from, but damn!

    This is a hell of a question to ask someone...I don't think anyone would truly know what they would do after going through such a traumatic event then getting pregnant from it. It isn't a fair thing to ask anyone to imagine that they get raped and pregnant.

    I honestly find it disgusting. I wish no person would have to go through this or even think about going through it.
    I personally think it's a good question, as it attempts to make people stop and think about whether or not they really mean what they say, if they are anti-abortion. There are some people who are anti-abortion based on a belief that life is sacred and that the unborn are innocent humans, but they fail to take into account that women who are also innocent, in the case of a rape. The question (to me) is are we consistent in our beliefs about whether or not life is to be protected, no matter the source or cause of that life, or are we really saying that only *certain* innocent life is to be protected?
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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I personally think it's a good question, as it attempts to make people stop and think about whether or not they really mean what they say, if they are anti-abortion. There are some people who are anti-abortion based on a belief that life is sacred and that the unborn are innocent humans, but they fail to take into account that women who are also innocent, in the case of a rape. The question (to me) is are we consistent in our beliefs about whether or not life is to be protected, no matter the source or cause of that life, or are we really saying that only *certain* innocent life is to be protected?
    I think innocent life should be protected when it is at all feasible. I am more than capable of being able to accept different sets of circumstances. Life is not all black and white.

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