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  • No, I would have an abortion

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  • No, I would seek out plan B, but if it didn't work I raise it

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    None of this is a guarantee of anything though, except for physical attributes. Of course this is a right she has, but we aren't talking about selective mating here.



    There are PLENTY of single mothers out there. What's your point?



    Again, we aren't talking about consensual sex here.



    Giving up a child for adoption is NOT throwing it away. It is ALLOWING that child to have a chance to LIVE.
    To claim there is no linkage of IQ to DNA nor any linkage to health to DNA is just untrue.

    So you support women being a single parent? Like it or not?

    Since we obviously disagree whether a ZEF is a "child" or not, that's just the abortion debate in general.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    It's a pretty slippery (and dangerous) slope to assume that because a parent (s) committed a crime that a person born to him or her would be a criminal and commit crimes too.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    I wonder how any of these idea of environment or genetics takes into account those that grow up in hellholes where moral character is not something that exists and turns out to be one of the nicest, most caring people you will ever meet.

    I personally never thought of it that much, but there seems to be holes in either theory.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This study is so incomplete it's not even funny. Was it peer reviewed? I don't see any mention of any peer reviews. It's full of "mays" and "mights." It mentions nothing about crime being hereditary. It simply says certain traits, such as low intelligence and alcoholism. There is NO mention of genetics being a CAUSATIVE factor for anyone involved in the study either.

    You'll have to do better than this.
    How about a little study of Bastard children?

    The Legitimate Children of Rape : The New Yorker
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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    [QUOTE=joko104;1061064399][QUOTE=ChrisL;1061064312]

    To claim there is no linkage of IQ to DNA nor any linkage to health to DNA is just untrue.
    There is no credible evidence to support that intelligence is passed on to offspring. Some mental illness may be in SOME cases, not all.

    So you support women being a single parent? Like it or not?
    Why would you ask that? You wouldn't support a woman's decision to be a single parent? Should she be pressured into having an abortion?

    Since we obviously disagree whether a ZEF is a "child" or not, that's just the abortion debate in general.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    How about a little study of Bastard children?

    The Legitimate Children of Rape : The New Yorker
    Again, this is NOT a legitimate study. Find the source of the study, so that the study can be dissected, including the peer reviews.

    So are you saying that children that are the product of rape should automatically be exterminated?

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I wonder how any of these idea of environment or genetics takes into account those that grow up in hellholes where moral character is not something that exists and turns out to be one of the nicest, most caring people you will ever meet.

    I personally never thought of it that much, but there seems to be holes in either theory.
    I think that both can play a contributing role, but NEITHER are a guarantee of how a child will turn out.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    How about a little study of Bastard children?

    The Legitimate Children of Rape : The New Yorker
    That wasn't a study of bastard children, but a study of the effects of rape on women and on the issue of choice.

    I have no doubt that there are women who could not handle raising a child which was the product of a rape, without damaging the child just by her own psychological incapabilities, which is why I believe the choice is needed, but having a child who is the product of a rape does not, in and of itself, indicate that the child is less valuable or less deserving of a loving environment.
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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post



    There is no credible evidence to support that intelligence is passed on to offspring. Some mental illness may be in SOME cases, not all.



    Why would you ask that? You wouldn't support a woman's decision to be a single parent? Should she be pressured into having an abortion?



    Intelligence level is primarily inherited. Twin studies and adoption studies have shown that intelligence is primarily inherited

    Is Intelligence Inherited

    So are genetic birth defects, physical abilities and limitations, propensity towards alcoholism and substance abuse, genetic birth defects at birth or health issues later in life, and it arguable that many personality traits are inherited - just like any other upper level mammal, dogs and cats.

    I feel VERY strongly that it is 100% a woman's right to PICK who is the biological father of her children. I also think it is a 100% right of a woman to decide whether or not to have a child, and if so when and by who, provide he is agreeable.

    Other than her right to life, I can think of no greater right a woman has. That is one reason why I see rape as such a horrific crime and that violent rape should be a capital offense.

    Do you think ANY woman who uses a sperm bank says "I don't care about the bio-father's traits, race, intelligence, physical traits, so just pick one randomly or mix different vials together for pot luck?"

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That wasn't a study of bastard children, but a study of the effects of rape on women and on the issue of choice.

    I have no doubt that there are women who could not handle raising a child which was the product of a rape, without damaging the child just by her own psychological incapabilities, which is why I believe the choice is needed, but having a child who is the product of a rape does not, in and of itself, indicate that the child is less valuable or less deserving of a loving environment.
    If the woman elects to have the child, she 100% MUST accept ALL parental responsibilities. The pro-life claim that the mother should just have the child and then toss it off to some adoption agency or foster care is grotesquely immoral in my opinion. To claim "she can just get rid of the child at birth by abandoning the newborn to the government or some kids-for-sale group (which is what adoption agency is)," is as much of "I don't give a damn about children once born" as it gets. I was such a newborn and was sent straight to living hell per government policy.

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