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  • Yes, I'd bear the child and raise it

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  • Yes, I'd bear the child and give it up for adoption

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  • No, I would have an abortion

    16 69.57%
  • No, I would seek out plan B, but if it didn't work I raise it

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That has nothing to do with anything. Some biological parents kill their own children too. Sometimes a stranger kills someone child. Just because someone is not the biological parent does NOT mean that they would do the child harm. In fact, I would be willing to bet that less adoptive parents kill their children than do biological parents, so that point is moot. There are NEVER guarantees in life.
    It is not irrelevant at all, but I won't go deeper into it either.

    I think you over use the slogan "there are no guarentees in life." It'd be like letting a 2 year old wander around outside alone because "there are no guarentees in life" as that child could get hit by a car anyway. In a sense it is to claim there is no difference between doing something or doing nothing, because it all is just random and uncontrollable anyway. But its not.

    A white man sees a black newborn of his white wife who said it was his. "It is all random and there are no guarentees with genetics." Think he'd accept that as true, that this does not give question if he's the father?

    I think it is immoral to give birth to a child and then abandoning the child to the unknown on the premise of "there's no guarentees in life anyway." In fact, if that birth mother committed to the duty to be responsible for her own child - there is a guarentee that someone was being responsible towards that child. Seems rather obvious.

    Or I could use your logic of there is no guarentees in life, point to the high percentage of miscarriages, and then just claim "she might have had a miscarriage anyway because there is no guarentees" as a defense of abortion.

    Again, though, it comes down to whether a ZEF is a baby or not. You just wrote that is irrelevant? But that is the core of the question. IF a ZEF is a baby the same as a born baby, of course it has an equal right to life. If not, then it doesn't and there is no reason for a woman to birth it unless she decides that is what she wants to do. But that just goes to the total abortion debate issue and the 100,000 back and forth messages about it. I now mostly stay out of those debates as they go nowhere.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is not irrelevant at all, but I won't go deeper into it either.

    I think you over use the slogan "there are no guarentees in life." It'd be like letting a 2 year old wander around outside alone because "there are no guarentees in life" as that child could get hit by a car anyway. In a sense it is to claim there is no difference between doing something or doing nothing, but it all is just random and uncontrollable anyway. But its not.

    I think it is immoral to give birth to a child and then abandoning the child to the unknown on the premise of "there's no guarentees in life anyway." In fact, if that birth mother committed to the duty to be responsible for her own child - there is a guarentee that someone was being responsible towards that child. Seems rather obvious.

    Or I could use your logic of there is no guarentees in life, point to the high percentage of miscarriages, and then just claim "she might have had a miscarriage anyway because there is no guarentees" as a defense of abortion.

    Again, though, it comes down to whether a ZEF is a baby or not. You just wrote that is irrelevant? But that is the core of the question. IF a ZEF is a baby the same as a born baby, of course it has an equal right to life. If not, then it doesn't and there is no reason for a woman to birth it unless she decides that is what she wants to do. But that just goes to the total abortion debate issue and the 100,000 back and forth messages about it. I now mostly stay out of those debates as they go nowhere.
    See post #90.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You can't say with certainty, but you can estimate, based on your value systems, beliefs, and your ability to put emotions and intellect into proper perspective.
    Not really. Say you were putting your own children's lives in jeopardy by harboring Jews? I mean, I'm Jewish and I can't say for sure if I would have the nerve to save say, hypothetically speaking, Latinos, and have Nazi's come in and shoot my children.

    I'd like to think I would have the internal fortitude to do it, but I can't say for absolute sure unless I was in the thick of it.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are some wonderful adoption programs around that will allow the birth parents to get to know the potential adoptive parents.

    Open adoption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    If the woman has a specific contract with specific parents who can't back out in any way regardless of the conditions of the child, I'm all for it if that's what the woman wants to do. However, if those adoptive parents learn the newborn is down syndrome, severely physical deformed or mentally handicapped, those adoptive parents would have to take that child entirely as their own and if refused would pay every dollar it would take for the absolute finest personal care and medical of that child the rest of that child's life and even with the mandatorily in both those adoptive parent's wills. If that cost $5 million dollars across the life of that child. And if they fail to do so, 100% of parental duties falls back on the birth mother.

    A newborn - or older child too - can be given to other GOOD and legally obligated parents. As long as they are good parents, that's fine. If they turn out not to be, that duty goes 100% back to the birth mother (and bio father too) unless and until different GOOD and legally obligated parents are found. I do NOT accept just throwing children into the unknown. I do not think a birth mother can ever do so morally.

    What POSSIBLE justification is there claiming a woman has a moral duty to birth a rape-produced child - but that mothering moral duty can totally end the moment that child actually is in the world? I can not even grasp anyone thinking that way.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It takes a willingness to put the interest of someone else above that of yourself.
    You could stop at the morning after pill and be done with it. Trying to suggest that a woman would want an abortion had she been raped is selfish, however is very disturbing.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    You could stop at the morning after pill and be done with it. Trying to suggest that a woman would want an abortion had she been raped is selfish, however is very disturbing.
    Because "life begins at conception," many pro-lifers believe the MAP is baby killing.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Because "life begins at conception," many pro-lifers believe the MAP is baby killing.
    There are several psychological and physical implications to consider if the woman didn't however not just for her but for many that care about her. I've said about all I can say though.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    There are several psychological and physical implications to consider if the woman didn't however not just for her but for many that care about her. I've said about all I can say though.
    It does just become an endless word circle.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    I would absolutely not have my rapist's baby. Just try and stop me from aborting.

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    Re: For women: would you bear a child who was conceived from a rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Where did I say that it's a requirement? The OP asks what I, as a woman, would do in such a situation. I certainly would not wait weeks to find out if I'm pregnant.
    Again, quoting myself "I see. Any young woman or girl should be required to go to the store and buy a morning after pill after being raped. I think I understand you." I wrote this because you, in your statement makes the responsibility for taking prompt assertive action the victim, often a 15 year old girl, not an assertive adult woman that can think about possible ramifications of being raped. Again, your statement makes it a requirement, but you just don't use the word.

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