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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Enough with the cheap logic ploys. Your use of logic is a convenient smokescreen for your belief democracy is a virtue at all times. Step back and read some of your own political history, please. For starters, hit the Federalist Papers.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    We do not consider it to be fair that affairs be dictated and commanded by those of larger populations at the expense of many of us who are not more populated. Your democratic summations need to be counterbalanced to ensure fairness.
    North Dakota has zero power in the current presidential election. Its has a tiny number of electoral votes and always votes Republican. Nobody will spend any money or assign pork projects to try and woo voters. The idea that the electoral college somehow protects the interests of smaller states has no basis in reality. All it really does give disproportionate influence to medium/large sized states with closely matched voters. The senate actually gives you an equal voice, the EC simply favors Ohio and Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    North Dakota has zero power in the current presidential election. Its has a tiny number of electoral votes and always votes Republican. Nobody will spend any money or assign pork projects to try and woo voters. The idea that the electoral college somehow protects the interests of smaller states has no basis in reality. All it really does give disproportionate influence to medium/large sized states with closely matched voters. The senate actually gives you an equal voice, the EC simply favors Ohio and Florida.
    You must not have been around in 2008, or during the primary season.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?
    No, I am for elected colleges. It is the democratic way.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You must not have been around in 2008, or during the primary season.
    Don't kid yourself. North Dakota has 3 electoral votes and hasn't voted democrat since Lydon Johnson took office. Nobody is going to invest resources on a forgone conclusion for that few votes. ND had 500k in campaign ads during the 2008 election, which is less than 1 dollar for each person living in the state. A swing state like Nevada was getting 5 dollars per person. The electoral college doesn't benefit small states.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    One argument is: Decided states get no attention. They get nothing in the form promises, etc.

    The next logical question is: Why does anyone think that the eventual winner will actually follow through with the promises they made to the swing states?
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Don't kid yourself. North Dakota has 3 electoral votes and hasn't voted democrat since Lydon Johnson took office. Nobody is going to invest resources on a forgone conclusion for that few votes. ND had 500k in campaign ads during the 2008 election, which is less than 1 dollar for each person living in the state. A swing state like Nevada was getting 5 dollars per person. The electoral college doesn't benefit small states.
    This is amusing. A Californian trying to educate me about North Dakota politics. First off, we had more than 500,000 people living here. I gave you the ability to look at what the Democratic Party did in 2008 here and what the Republican Party had done during the primary season this year. Look at that election again, please.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The next logical question is: Why does anyone think that the eventual winner will actually follow through with the promises they made to the swing states?
    Come on, the winner rarely makes good on any promises they make during the campaign, promises are only there to get people to vote for them, then they pretend they never said anything.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This is amusing. A Californian trying to educate me about North Dakota politics. First off, we had more than 500,000 people living here. I gave you the ability to look at what the Democratic Party did in 2008 here and what the Republican Party had done during the primary season this year, but you seem to want to do the quick Google search, tell me that I am kidding myself, and that no one would spend resources on a foregone conclusion. Look at that election again, please.
    I am not trying to educate you about North Dakota politics. My point is that the electoral college does not benefit smaller states, including north Dakota. In the 2008 election, North Dakota received a per-person spending for campaign adds that was half the national average. North Dakota would have an equally limited impact on the presidential election using the the electoral college or with a popular vote.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I am not trying to educate you about North Dakota politics. My point is that the electoral college does not benefit smaller states, including north Dakota. In the 2008 election, North Dakota received a per-person spending for campaign adds that was half the national average. North Dakota would have an equally limited impact on the presidential election using the the electoral college or with a popular vote.
    Why do you insist on the campaign ads? North Dakota was a potential swing state and both Hillary and Obama campaigned hard here during the primary season with that in mind. After the primary season the same effort continued with the DNC campaign lasting until September when it was finally clear that a potential swing state moment was not to come to fruition-but it was close enough to make the entire DNC think so!
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