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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    I'll answer the same as I have every other time this has come up. The electoral college is outdated and unnecessary. No one person's vote should count for more than any other person's.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should keep the electoral college. I do not like the idea of New York,California and a handful of other densely populated states being able to screw the rest of the country.This is why our forefathers went with the electoral college.
    IOW, you don't like One man, One vote.
    You want to continue the DISproportionate power of the Sparser Western RED States.. of course.

    This disproportionate power also, and related, weighs on the day-to-day running of our Government through the Senate.
    1 Million People in Wyoming have 2 Senators, while 20 Million people in NY have only the same 2 Senators.
    20 Million People living in Wyoming, Montana, Utah, etc, Totaled together, have far more power than the same number living in one Larger state.
    Thus, Laws are made, Judges approved, and money distributed, Unequally in favor of sparser RED States.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should keep the electoral college. I do not like the idea of New York,California and a handful of other densely populated states being able to screw the rest of the country.This is why our forefathers went with the electoral college.
    Exactly! Founding fathers usually know best!
    IMO one man one vote isn't working, and could be reformed to a who pays taxes votes deal... But I'm not so sure we should do that... Just keep it as it s b/c it isn't broken for now... But don't let illegals vote nor felons
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    what you are missing is the loser will always have to do this will they not? what would make them not go else where if they are losing in the pools just like now?
    The locations they have not mined in the big states that are blue or red, will be the focus.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvincoolidge View Post
    Exactly! Founding fathers usually know best!
    IMO one man one vote isn't working, and could be reformed to a who pays taxes votes deal... But I'm not so sure we should do that... Just keep it as it s b/c it isn't broken for now... But don't let illegals vote nor felons
    Years ago on this forum I made a poll asking if those who pay more taxes should get more votes seeing how they are paying for most of the bills. It wasn't a popular idea .
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Any way you do it, some states are going to be looked over. That's just reality. I think more states will be focused on though through a popular vote method though.
    I have to disagree and leave it there.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    I think it's time to get rid of the EC. A democracy doesn't exist while it's in place. Like others have mentioned, the EC can go against the popular vote and choose a different candidate. No one should be afraid of states with a large population like CA. We can't assume an entire state would vote 100% for a candidate. When you start carving up the country into voting regions, it gives an unfair advantage to some candidates.

    A good example of this I witnessed in MI. They re-zoned some voting areas based off where republican and democrat voters lived, effectively giving the voting advantage to either a republican or a democrat for the house/senate. The election commission has the right to do this in every state without voter's approval. Again, this sways the vote for a republican or a democrat and also reduces the risk of a 3rd party winning (although some 3rd party politicians do make it into office).

    Getting back to the popular vote topic, it's unfair to segregate voters by EC or by the state itself. Why is it fair that a candidate getting 51% of the popular vote in a state gets ALL the EC votes for that state?

    Here's an interesting tidbit of history showing how unfair the EC is versus the popular vote:
    The closest the country has ever come to abolishing the Electoral College occurred during the 91st Congress. The presidential election of 1968 ended with Richard Nixon receiving 301 electoral votes to Hubert Humphrey's 191. Yet, Nixon had only received 511,944 more popular votes than Humphrey, equating to less than 1% of the national total. George Wallace received the remaining 46 electoral votes with only 13.5% of the popular vote.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    The locations they have not mined in the big states that are blue or red, will be the focus.
    that doesnt answer my question.

    someone said that mitt ignores california because the majority there are going to vote democrat, so why pander to the minority of that state when you can go else where and get the minority?

    also if it is such a given that a place like Cali is going to vote democrat, and the minority are going to vote rep why go to them at all, their votes are a given so its better to work the independents would it not be?

    I think things would be better and the states/people that get little attention now would get at least the same attention if not MORE attention.

    I also think the other effect would be after a couple of elections you would not longer have such a derision between right and left and the lines would blur more.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Get rid of it. Outdated, undemocratic, and unfair. Our whole electrical system is just ****ed up and ass backwards in general.


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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The electoral college is founded on the idea that the people who live in a state are all homogeneous with each other. The college is intended to prevent more populous states from imposing their will on the smaller ones. But states don't actually operate that way. Most states are split close to 50/50, and even the most divisive states split closer to 60/40, maybe reaching as far as 70/30. In 1998, GWB won re-election as governor of Texas in a landslide with 69% of the vote. 69% is a landslide. Clearly, Texas is not as uniformly red as some people might think. No state is uniformly one way or another. That's just not how voters work in this country. The problem that the electoral college exists to prevent doesn't actually happen. New York wouldn't have any influence in a presidential election, because New York wouldn't be a prize to be won. Each individual voter in the state would be a unique and separate data point, and some would go one way and some the other. A direct popular vote would make every single vote count the same, since states do not move as homogeneous blocks.



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    I don't hate I just don't want to be held hostage to the will of the mob. If you think the country needs to be fundamentally transformed amend the constitution or leave.

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