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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Exactly. Because the President represents the States of the Union, and the States choose.
    In the absurd; If a State wanted it to be contingent on the date of a "smelt run" it could.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Except that nothing in the Constitution necessitates that the people vote for the electors - states have the plenary power to choose their electors however they see fit, and need not consult the people in doing so.
    And is that something you advocate or support?
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Except that nothing in the Constitution necessitates that the people vote for the electors - states have the plenary power to choose their electors however they see fit, and need not consult the people in doing so.
    And the electors are not required to vote the way the people they are supposed to be representing want them to. There have been times in history where electors have decided screw the people, we're voting the way we want.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Only California and 19 others would count and the candidates wouldn't be visiting New Hampshire, or Iowa.
    Any way you do it, some states are going to be looked over. That's just reality. I think more states will be focused on though through a popular vote method though.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    I usually use a hand of poker as my example.
    The example that I received was a coin toss. It was given to me by an eighth grade history teacher in the Great Lakes Region 30+ years ago.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And the electors are not required to vote the way the people they are supposed to be representing want them to. There have been times in history where electors have decided screw the people, we're voting the way we want.

    That's ridiculous.
    WTF?

    They represent the State as an entity, not the people.
    Just because a State allows the people to vote on it, doesn't mean they have to (by The Constitution), or even should.
    Which is why the State can choose how they want the Electors to vote.

    The People are represented by The Congress.
    The States were supposed to be represented by the Senate.
    A compromise of Electors was done for the President who represents the Union of the States.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Every single vote counts now.
    My doesn't because I live in the south and my state is REd and will remain so. SO the EC will only give my state to Romney. This is true of blue states and reps as well. THis idea of every vote counts does not jive wiht the reality of the EC and 2000 proved it.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I left off another discussed alternative of the President being selected by the members of the House of Representatives of Congress. This would be indirect democracy but on a nationwide basis. Many countries have such a system.
    Again bias by association. If the house is rep then the Pres is rep where is the representation in that? People elect politicians but politicians should never elect themselves. That is not what this country is about.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And the electors are not required to vote the way the people they are supposed to be representing want them to. There have been times in history where electors have decided screw the people, we're voting the way we want.

    That's ridiculous.
    There have been 3 such cases as I remember. the last was 2000
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    I think that at the beginning of the national campaign cycle each party who has enough certified voters in each state should be allowed on the ballot. They will have their runoffs to determine the one candidate (plus VP) for each party. then during the summer we have national primaries and the top 4 or 5 get invited to the debates after very quick party conventions.

    The money for this coming from a $1 mandatory donation from taxpayers which is spread equally among all parties. This money will be every year so there will be plenty.

    Debates should be controlled as suggested in other threads.

    The final national election would tell us who is making the greatest impact on the voters and who are the up and coming parties. I think this is valuable information.
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