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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you should no difficulty in any way shape or from to tell the world what
    1- my political philosophy is
    Well, part of it is that you believe that it is acceptable to undermine or encroach upon the life and property of others. That much is certain, and that is what I was talking about.
    2- my political ends are
    3- my political objectives are
    One of your political ends or objectives is to undermine or encroach upon the property of others, as evidenced by your support of laws preventing possession of particular sorts of firearms.

    Since you made them the centerpiece of you post, lets see you expound on these with some evidence.

    After you satisfactorily accomplish that task, perhaps then we can deal with the Constitution that you seem to now want to talk about.
    I'm happy to talk about the constitution. However, in this conversation I was talking about how you and I differ in that I refuse to undermine or encroach upon the life and property of others while you apparently are willing to do so in order to accomplish your political ends.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We have a United States Supreme Court in Washington. They decide issues as to what is or is not Constitutional. Do they know what you claim is going on?
    the USSC does not over rule the Constitution, no one or institution can challenge the constitutionally of the constitution.

    the constitution tells us that how changes to law must be made, and they are not being made constitutionally.

    example: education and housing are not listed anywhere in the constitution, ...so how is the federal government involved?....... unconstitutionally.

    i have read what Madison put forth, in the constitution and the federalist papers and our union is NOT being run according to that supreme law he created.

    then people want too complain, because the government is corrupt and a few people are running it.............."well no wonder when the law is not being followed"
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Well, part of it is that you believe that it is acceptable to undermine or encroach upon the life and property of others. That much is certain, and that is what I was talking about.

    One of your political ends or objectives is to undermine or encroach upon the property of others, as evidenced by your support of laws preventing possession of particular sorts of firearms.


    Baloney times two.

    Your example is NOT a political philosophy. It is simply the same unsupported and unsubstantiated character assassination allegation that you have repeatedly used against me. It is NOT a political philosophy.

    You claim that I have a political philosophy. So produce it.

    I have never advocated any of the goals or objectives which you claim and you have produced no evidence to support such a charge. Again, all you are doing is making unsubstantiated charges and engaging in character assassination simply because there may be a mild difference in how we see the margins or edges.

    I challenge you yet again - produce clear evidence of what my goals and objectives are and flush this yesterdays digested baloney where it belongs.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the USSC does not over rule the Constitution, no one or institution can challenge the constitutionally of the constitution.

    the constitution tells us that how changes to law must be made, and they are not being made constitutionally.

    example: education and housing are not listed anywhere in the constitution, ...so how is the federal government involved?....... unconstitutionally.

    i have read what Madison put forth, in the constitution and the federalist papers and our union is NOT being run according to that supreme law he created.

    then people want too complain, because the government is corrupt and a few people are running it.............."well no wonder when the law is not being followed"
    There is a story about the proud mother who attends the town parade to see her son Johnny in the marching band. She took a prominent spot and she was surrounded by her fellow townspeople. As the hundred member marching band came by a few people audibly gasped when it became obvious that young Johnny was leading with the wrong foot compared to every other member of the band. A few looked embarrassed and cast negative looks at the mother. The lady did not flinch but proudly puffed out her ample bosom and said loudly "everybody is out of step but my Johnny."

    Your post and your opinion is no different.

    For nearly eighty years now we have heard much the same over and over and over and over again despite the changing of the composition of the Court from decade to decade to decade. Somehow someway, folks who share your views are the only ones in the nation who really are clued into what is going and and whats more they all know the way its really suppose to be. And we are to believe that the Supreme Court making all these rulings decade after decade to enable this hijacking of the true meaning of the Constitution does not know a damn thing.

    Everybody is out of step but Johnny.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Baloney times two.

    Your example is NOT a political philosophy. It is simply the same unsupported and unsubstantiated character assassination allegation that you have repeatedly used against me. It is NOT a political philosophy.

    You claim that I have a political philosophy. So produce it.
    Okay, whatever you say. It's not a political philosophy. But you do believe it is acceptable to undermine and encroach upon the life and property of others. If you don't want to call that a political philosophy, that's fine by me. It certainly is a political stance or belief.

    I have never advocated any of the goals or objectives which you claim and you have produced no evidence to support such a charge. Again, all you are doing is making unsubstantiated charges and engaging in character assassination simply because there may be a mild difference in how we see the margins or edges.
    You specifically stated that you think it is ridiculous that the citizenry have the same firearms as police officers and national guardsmen.

    I challenge you yet again - produce clear evidence of what my goals and objectives are and flush this yesterdays digested baloney where it belongs.
    You wish to restrict the type of firearms that may be owned by the citizenry.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is a story about the proud mother who attends the town parade to see her son Johnny in the marching band. She took a prominent spot and she was surrounded by her fellow townspeople. As the hundred member marching band came by a few people audibly gasped when it became obvious that young Johnny was leading with the wrong foot compared to every other member of the band. A few looked embarrassed and cast negative looks at the mother. The lady did not flinch but proudly puffed out her ample bosom and said loudly "everybody is out of step but my Johnny."

    Your post and your opinion is no different.

    For nearly eighty years now we have heard much the same over and over and over and over again despite the changing of the composition of the Court from decade to decade to decade. Somehow someway, folks who share your views are the only ones in the nation who really are clued into what is going and and whats more they all know the way its really suppose to be. And we are to believe that the Supreme Court making all these rulings decade after decade to enable this hijacking of the true meaning of the Constitution does not know a damn thing.

    Everybody is out of step but Johnny.

    answer me this question?

    why do judges of the USSC, and members of the congress call america "a democracy"????????

    you want too talk about whos out of step!
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the USSC does not over rule the Constitution, no one or institution can challenge the constitutionally of the constitution.
    Of course it doesn't. Many people choose to believe that the supreme court is the sole authority on the meaning of the constitution, which of course is stated nowhere in the constitution. In fact, every public official in these united states is responsible for interpreting the constitution in order to carry out his constitutionally mandated responsibility of upholding the constitution.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Okay, whatever you say.
    Good. Its about time. Here is what I say: what you are doing is attempting to build a strawman and use it as some sort of standard. Screw your strawman. I don't need it.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    answer me this question?

    why do judges of the USSC, and members of the congress call america "a democracy"????????

    you want too talk about whos out of step!
    Are you honestly asking me a question and you somehow someway expect me to supply you with the answer as to why the Supreme Court or Congress or anyone else other than myself uses a word?
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Of course it doesn't. Many people choose to believe that the supreme court is the sole authority on the meaning of the constitution, which of course is stated nowhere in the constitution. In fact, every public official in these united states is responsible for interpreting the constitution in order to carry out his constitutionally mandated responsibility of upholding the constitution.
    And which ones issue rulings on what passes muster when compared to the Constitution and their opinion is accepted as legal?
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