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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Perhaps this is why, when the Nationalists were cooking up their power grab, patriots like Sam Adams nor Patrick Henry decided to stay home, with Patrick Henry famously stating, "I smell a rat."

    "Show me that age and country where the rights and liberties of the people were placed on the sole chance of their rulers being good men, without a consequent loss of liberty! I say that the loss of that dearest privilege has ever followed, with absolute certainty, every such mad attempt." -- Patrick Henry
    Perhaps it is. Perhaps it is. On the other hand, people like Henry remind me of the line from RAMBO where the Stallone character is described as a very valuable man in wartime - and fairly useless once the war is over.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps it is. Perhaps it is. On the other hand, people like Henry remind me of the line from RAMBO where the Stallone character is described as a very valuable man in wartime - and fairly useless once the war is over.
    I'm sure our different opinions of Patrick Henry are based on our different ethical outlooks. I, like him, regard it as unethical to undermine or encroach upon the life or property of another.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We are talking about this country. And what we have in this country is a representative democracy bound by a Constitution.

    We DO NOT have direct democracy. Never have. Majority rule is NOT direct democracy.
    We have a democratically based republic. It was set up that way for a very good reason, and that is the lack of public virtue among the general populace. People will always choose their own interests over what is best for the nation.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I'm sure our different opinions of Patrick Henry are based on our different ethical outlooks. I, like him, regard it as unethical to undermine or encroach upon the life or property of another.
    My opinion of Henry is a positive one. I would agree with both he and you if you lived upon your own self sustaining island. As you live in a cooperative society with 311 million others, each of which have rights which often overlap and conflict, there is unavoidable and inevitable balancing of these interests ..... and we call that living in a society.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    We have a democratically based republic. It was set up that way for a very good reason, and that is the lack of public virtue among the general populace. People will always choose their own interests over what is best for the nation.
    Could you please explain to he how your phrase A DEMOCRATICALLY BASED REPUBLIC is substantively different that my phrase of A REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY BOUND BY A CONSTITUTION?
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My opinion of Henry is a positive one. I would agree with both he and you if you lived upon your own self sustaining island. As you live in a cooperative society with 311 million others, each of which have rights which often overlap and conflict, there is unavoidable and inevitable balancing of these interests ..... and we call that living in a society.
    Yes, when living is a society, it is imperative that each of us respect the life and property of others. This means not encroaching upon or undermining the life and property of others.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, when living is a society, it is imperative that each of us respect the life and property of others. This means not encroaching upon or undermining the life and property of others.
    Again, for a time beyond count or calculation, I strongly suspect you and I would not agree on what constitutes those limits.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, for a time beyond count or calculation, I strongly suspect you and I would not agree on what constitutes those limits.
    Yes, you come down squarely in the "encroach upon and undermine" camp.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, you come down squarely in the "encroach upon and undermine" camp.
    And where is the evidence of this? Lets see my own posts where I advocate such a policy? And please do not waste my time by posting views that are reasonable issues that reasonable people simply see differently.

    Lets see some honest to goodness posts by me where I advocate taking away peoples Constitutional rights.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And where is the evidence of this? Lets see my own posts where I advocate such a policy? And please do not waste my time by posting views that are reasonable issues that reasonable people simply see differently.

    Lets see some honest to goodness posts by me where I advocate taking away peoples Constitutional rights.
    Constitutional rights? We're not talking about Constitutional rights. We're talking about our different ethical outlooks. I said I regard it as unethical to undermine or encroach upon the life or property of another. You, on the other hand, seem very happy to undermine or encroach upon the life and property of others.

    As one example, you seem to want to prohibit people from owning particular sorts of firearms, thus denying them the right to property.

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