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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    All you need is Congress and a supermajority of the states to agree.
    That's why it probably won't change anytime soon
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I don't like everything about the Constitution. I don't like that did its part to keep slavery alive. I don't like that it was designed to limit democracy as much as possible without being authoritarian. It isn't the Bible. It can be changed, and in this instance it should be changed.
    so you don't like you rights?

    the constitution sought to end slavery, by prohibiting slavery importation by 1808, the founders believed slavery would end after there deaths.

    the u.s. was not created as a democracy, democracy is mob rule, and there are ---->no individual rights in a democracy.

    there are no biblical accounts in the constitution, how does it need too be changed?.............too suit your personal needs and what you personally want?

    before you talk about the constitution, you need to read it, know what it means, and read the federalist papers which explains the constitution is detail.

    and that is the problem with our union, you heard correct union, the USA is not a country but a union of states.

    people do not understand what our union is, how is is supposed to be run, and it has NOT been run according to the constitution for over 100 years.

    so no one living has never lived under the ideas of the founders and what they created, which is why we are having the problems we have.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't see any reason for it. I read before that the only reason an electoral college exists is because some of the founders wanted congress to vote for the president and others wanted the people to do it, so they compromised with an electoral college.
    So, is the Electoral College an accident? If yes, then a splendid one. I risk to say, that to this day, the American Electoral College is the only administrative equalizer between political groups of varied sizes. Without it, it would be just the largest group monopolizing everything once for all, like it is in Europe.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    So, is the Electoral College an accident? If yes, then a splendid one.
    An accident? Absolutely not. It was done on purpose as a compromise between founders who had different ideas. Something you don't hear about too often nowadays.

    I risk to say, that to this day, the American Electoral College is the only administrative equalizer between political groups of varied sizes. Without it, it would be just the largest group monopolizing everything once for all, like it is in Europe.
    You make a good point, but isn't that what democracy is about? I think I'd rather see the largest "group" running everything as opposed to the group with the largest amount of money.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    An accident? Absolutely not. It was done on purpose as a compromise between founders who had different ideas. Something you don't hear about too often nowadays.



    You make a good point, but isn't that what democracy is about? I think I'd rather see the largest "group" running everything as opposed to the group with the largest amount of money.
    Are you saying that these 2 exhaust all possibilities?

    And what if you don't belong to the largest or richest group and don't want to forget yourself to join the largest group either?

    I wonder if you have an opinion about that the USA is already gone as the country we learn about in class. There will be a "new" country in its place that will be controlled by groups different from what we know today. If we get the Electoral College accepted as a principle all over the world, then we may save face as one of those constituent groups in the future under such control. I am afraid that a majority status is never permanent, and that includes us too.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Yes.. Lets just ignore the constitution when we find it convenient to do so.
    That's what President Jefferson did when acquiring the Louisiana Territory.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    Are you saying that these 2 exhaust all possibilities?

    And what if you don't belong to the largest or richest group and don't want to forget yourself to join the largest group either?

    I wonder if you would agree that the USA is already gone as the country we learn about in class. There will be a "new" country in its place that will be controlled by groups different from what we know today. If we get the Electoral College accepted as a principle all over the world, then we may save face as one of those constituent groups in the future under such control. I am afraid that a majority status is never permanent, and that includes us too.
    What the heck? Like it isn't already controlled by certain groups? Individual votes would mean a lot more if we got rid of the electorals. Voting would be super-important, and everyone would realize that. I am of the belief that there are SO MANY different "groups" out there with so many different beliefs, that this would not be a problem.

    What do you mean by "I am afraid that a majority status is never permanent, and that includes us too." Who is "us?"

    As to the rest of your post, I'm not sure what you're talking about. It has nothing to do with the rest of the world.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    That's what President Jefferson did when acquiring the Louisiana Territory.
    Agreed, he should not have done that.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    That's what President Jefferson did when acquiring the Louisiana Territory.
    Exacrtly, how?
    He had the power to negotiate a treaty with France.
    The Senate ratified the treaty w/ France
    Congress, pursuant to its power to spend in providing for the general welfare, appropriated the money to send to France.

    Looks legit to me. Show me how the Constitution was ignored.

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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Agreed, he should not have done that.
    Since Napoleon didn't have the authority to sell Louisiana, sort of a wash.
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