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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you. I do appreciate it. When I said that I was referring to the reality - sad or otherwise - that to 99.% of voters who think they are voting for the President, they do not know these people.

    But thanks for the latest list. it is interesting.
    No problem, I wasn't familiar with the specific individuals, but I thought everyone learned about electors in school civics class. At least they should know how their own state selects electors. Citizenship is important.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    No problem, I wasn't familiar with the specific individuals, but I thought everyone learned about electors in school civics class. At least they should know how their own state selects electors. Citizenship is important.
    I agree completely. I taught Government for 33 years and always spent a good deal of time on the Electoral College each term.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    If you only used the popular vote no candidate would ever campaign in a smaall state with a small population. Not a good idea. You Libs love it because the big states like New York, California and Illinois always vote left.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you are going to hang your hat on the technicality that the American people have really NOT been voting for the President all these past three centuries but instead have merely been voting for nameless and faceless electors who they really have heard of nor know nothing about and who are in reality not even bound to vote for the candidate they are pledge to?

    And once that sinks in you are going to tell them that you are going to now deny them even that intermediate step since you are giving it to the state legislature. But its okay since they are not really losing anything anyways since they never really had it to begin with?
    Yes, as I said before, I think that a lot of confusion has been created with the practice of voting for electors. It gives the mistaken impression that the president is elected by a plebiscite. I would prefer that the electors for president were chosen by the state legislature, as prescribed in the constitution, and would support such a proposal in my own state.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, as I said before, I think that a lot of confusion has been created with the practice of voting for electors. It gives the mistaken impression that the president is elected by a plebiscite. I would prefer that the electors for president were chosen by the state legislature, as prescribed in the constitution, and would support such a proposal in my own state.
    I, personally, would have them see who can hit more pigeons on a sporting clays course.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Irrelevant. Ballot access laws, and the influence of wealthy institutions (PACs, corporations, hedge funds, oil cos) over the government's police forces effectively suppress any possibility of democracy (or a Republic) in the US.

    The US is as much a democracy as Iran is. In the US, PACs, oil cos, hedge funds, etc. are the Ayatollahs.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, as I said before, I think that a lot of confusion has been created with the practice of voting for electors. It gives the mistaken impression that the president is elected by a plebiscite. I would prefer that the electors for president were chosen by the state legislature, as prescribed in the constitution, and would support such a proposal in my own state.
    I would love to see a campaign from Republicans and Conservatives and Libertarians and Constitutionalists to carry out your ideas. Let the American people know what you think about the importance of their vote. Let them know what you want to take it away from them. Let them know that you want a teeny tiny number of government officials to have the power that hundreds of millions of citizens now have.

    Say it loud and say it proud. Folks pushing that sort of elitist nonsense could not get elected in their lives depended on it.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    direct democracy is a vote by the people on every issue, in a union our size, that is not possible, and it would destroy America.

    the founders have the electoral college, because the USA was not created as a democracy, but a republic, with a republican form of government, article 4 section 4 of the constitution, federalist paper #39 and 43.

    democracy is the enemy of man!...its shame most people do not know this.

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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    There is nothing to take away, for the vote for President/VP, because it was never there. Not in our lifetimes and not in our parents lifetimes. It was always the states who decided how the electors are chosen. No reason to be over dramatic about this. Of course those who say their vote doesn't count because they tend to vote opposite their states tendencies are the real drama queens.

    It is at the individual state level where these folks can seek change.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    There is nothing to take away, for the vote for President/VP, because it was never there. Not in our lifetimes and not in our parents lifetimes. It was always the states who decided how the electors are chosen. No reason to be over dramatic about this. Of course those who say their vote doesn't count because they tend to vote opposite their states tendencies are the real drama queens.

    It is at the individual state level where these folks can seek change.
    Correct. Per the constitution, each state may direct the manner of choosing its electors.

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