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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    All you need to do is have your state change its laws as to the allocation of electors.
    Typical disinformation about what constitutes a right by limiting it to part of the whole, when only if the whole nation adopts representation of the local losing vote will it benefit anyone at all. In 2000, Florida had the power to create a 50+ vote swing, deciding the election. With voluntary representational voting, it would have produced from .02 to 2 vote swing. It is as ineffective a right as voluntary taxes. De facto no such right exists because no one should be asked to vote against his own interest when that is the case only because others can refuse to.
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    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Enshrined might be the wrong word, but I agree there is nothing really in the constitution about a two-party (or any other number) political system. It is just the nature of the political landscape we find ourselves in. At that same time there is nothing really in the constitution preventing them either.
    "Enshrined" is the exactly the right word because the Constitution is a superstitious religious document, glorifying absolute power as if it were a god. Such submissive and worshipful thinking belongs in the Dark Ages or with medieval peasants bowing down before the self-appointed superiority of the upper class.
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    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    "Enshrined" is the exactly the right word because the Constitution is a superstitious religious document, glorifying absolute power as if it were a god. Such submissive and worshipful thinking belongs in the Dark Ages or with medieval peasants bowing down before the self-appointed superiority of the upper class.
    What bunk.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should keep the electoral college. I do not like the idea of New York,California and a handful of other densely populated states being able to screw the rest of the country.This is why our forefathers went with the electoral college.
    I agree with what you have to say...I voted to get rid of it however they would have to figure a way that works in the interest of the peoples vote. Here in Ca. it makes me not want to bother to vote because my vote does not count at all. Even my 18 year old son who can vote this year has no interest here to vote because no matter who he voted for it will be Obama...even if he voted for Obama...I explained to him that that may be true but the local and state elections are important along with the propositions....but he is away at college and did not change his address there to vote so he is not going to. He is not informed enough about the topics at hand to make a decision anyway....so I have no problem with it.

    I would like to see a way where all votes count for all sides in red or blue states but for now the EC is the best we have.....so yes I would like it gone however a way to make all of us count in a fair way should be found before just going with the popular vote.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    What bunk.
    You mean "heresy." No wonder it disestablishes religion; it establishes itself as a secular religion, complete with an infallible Vatican (the Supreme Court) and saintly Apostles (the Founding Fathers). Its articles are treated like the Ten Commandments, and the Constitutionalists refer to the whole document the same way that Fundamentalists refer to the Bible or the Koran.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Well, think it through. The American people don't vote for Federal justices. Do you regard them as having been stripped of their right to vote? If not, why not?
    So you are going to hang your hat on the technicality that the American people have really NOT been voting for the President all these past three centuries but instead have merely been voting for nameless and faceless electors who they really have heard of nor know nothing about and who are in reality not even bound to vote for the candidate they are pledge to?

    And once that sinks in you are going to tell them that you are going to now deny them even that intermediate step since you are giving it to the state legislature. But its okay since they are not really losing anything anyways since they never really had it to begin with?

    Lotsa luck with that.

    I think such a campaign should be the centerpiece of all Republican and Libertarian campaign materials from now until you get it accomplished. Every Republican, every Libertarian, every Conservative, and every Constitutionalist should take the equal of the Grover Norquist pledge on taxes to support this.

    Go for it and go for it big time. I enthusiastically endorse you doing this.
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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you are going to hang your hat on the technicality that the American people have really NOT been voting for the President all these past three centuries but instead have merely been voting for nameless and faceless electors who they really have heard of nor know nothing about and who are in reality not even bound to vote for the candidate they are pledge to?

    And once that sinks in you are going to tell them that they are not really losing anything anyways since they never really had it to begin with?

    Lotsa luck with that.

    I think such a campaign should be the centerpiece of all Republican and Libertarian campaign materials from now until you get it accomplished. Every Republican, every Libertarian, every Conservative, and every Constitutionalist should take the equal of the Grover Norquist pledge on taxes to support this.

    Go for it and go for it big time. I enthusiastically endorse you doing this.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    I do not understand why you reproduced my post and then this wiki article.
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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not understand why you reproduced my post and then this wiki article.
    That's ok. You said that they were nameless and faceless. I figured you didn't know where to look who they are.
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    Re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    That's ok. You said that they were nameless and faceless. I figured you didn't know where to look who they are.
    Thank you. I do appreciate it. When I said that I was referring to the reality - sad or otherwise - that to 99.% of voters who think they are voting for the President, they do not know these people.

    But thanks for the latest list. it is interesting.
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