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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    My sole concern with ending the electoral college is that it could make elections 10x as expensive as they already are. Money already seems to determine the outcome of these things.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We know that it is possible for the candidate receiving the most votes to lose (Gore) and the voters in all but 7 states are now irrelevant to the candidates. The strategy of both is to forget about recieving a majority of votes and instead only care about the delegate count of 7 states.

    Do you think that regardless of the election outcome, there should be a constitutional amendment to have national elections (president) decided by direct democracy in which the winner is determined by which candidate received more votes nationwide?
    The 7 swing states this election may not be the 7 swing states next election. The non-swing states numbers are already in the math, but that does not mean they do not matter. If CA were to come into play, there would be 1 swing state. IMO if there were no EC, rural areas wouldn't even have paved roads or electricity because all the money would be spent on disco balls and naked firemen in Miami, New York, San Fransisco, and all the other big liberal cities who are freaking clueless as to what life outside their bubble is like.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    My sole concern with ending the electoral college is that it could make elections 10x as expensive as they already are. Money already seems to determine the outcome of these things.
    If you take private money out then it won't. Heres a thought. Anyone who fills out a 1040 and owes taxes or gets a refund will be required to pay $1 in campaign funds automatically. I am assuming here but that should come to about 200 or so million dollars per year. (SWAG).
    That money would be distributed to any party who has enough registered members to be on a national ticket and maybe state tickets too. The money would be divided according to a formula or perhaps equally. I don't know.

    In any event this money comes in every year. That would be enough to take care of most of not all campaigns. Problem?
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Eliminate the electoral college, and VP running mates. 2nd place is VP. Just like the good ole days.
    The only problem with that is you run into people who would gladly kill the president so their guy could take over.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should keep the electoral college. I do not like the idea of New York,California and a handful of other densely populated states being able to screw the rest of the country.This is why our forefathers went with the electoral college.
    But you still get electoral votes based on population anyhow. The way it stands now, because the liberals outnumber the conservatives in California, every vote in California will almost always go to the liberal candidate. My vote doesn't count because all electoral votes are going to Obama regardless.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We know that it is possible for the candidate receiving the most votes to lose (Gore) and the voters in all but 7 states are now irrelevant to the candidates. The strategy of both is to forget about recieving a majority of votes and instead only care about the delegate count of 7 states.

    Do you think that regardless of the election outcome, there should be a constitutional amendment to have national elections (president) decided by direct democracy in which the winner is determined by which candidate received more votes nationwide?
    You've mixed up two issues: the representation of less populous states and the winner-take-all assignment of each state's electoral vote.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We know that it is possible for the candidate receiving the most votes to lose (Gore) and the voters in all but 7 states are now irrelevant to the candidates. The strategy of both is to forget about recieving a majority of votes and instead only care about the delegate count of 7 states.

    Do you think that regardless of the election outcome, there should be a constitutional amendment to have national elections (president) decided by direct democracy in which the winner is determined by which candidate received more votes nationwide?
    The President does not represent the people in our government - which explains, in part, why the people neither elect him nor a right to vote for him.
    The President is the President of the United States, not the People if the United States, and thus the states rightly determine who hold that office.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    I don't know ....still trying to understand it's purpose and why it exists.....what I do know is that it frustrates me that 7 states seem to have the deciding factor election after election.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    If you are going to replace the electoral college, you might as well introduce a voting system like third party.

    The electoral college means that all the money and attention goes to swing states, namely Florida Ohio and Virginia. Its absurd to claim that small states would ignored if we removed the electoral college when they are already being ignored with the current system. Insanely stupid policies like the embargo with Cuba exist precisely because Florida has disproportionate power over our elections. No system of voting is perfect, but our current one sucks and should be replaced with something better.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should keep the electoral college. I do not like the idea of New York,California and a handful of other densely populated states being able to screw the rest of the country.This is why our forefathers went with the electoral college.
    They are already able to do this. California gets 50-something votes while Nebraska gets 2. If you were arguing for a system where each state got equal votes you'd be on the right track.
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