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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    There is no right to vote in the constitution. Only amendments that give reason they cant stop you from voting.
    First - all amendments are official parts of the US Constitution.

    Second - five of those specifically use the language RIGHT TO VOTE or a slight variation of it.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    A popular vote becomes nothing more than a vigilante committee for big cities and densely populated states to control the natural resources of America. Our Founding Fathers were wise to institute this checks and balances to keep sparsely populated states and areas as part of the over all mix of our nation, and to give them a real say in the election of nationally held offices. How much better of a cross culture representation than could influence an election than the 11 toss up states for this election. These states truly represent a melting pot of not only nationalities, but vast panoramic and sparsely populated lands as well as densely populated areas.

    I live in a non-toss up state, but my vote STILL counts. The wrong candidate will surely get elected when mass numbers of people stop voting because they think their vote doesn't count, even if they live in non-toss up states. When we take the attitude that a vote doesn't count, that is when vigilante justice will reign supreme in our land. Go to the poles and vote. It is your right as a United States citizen, and it is your privilege. The electoral college has been working just fine and doesn't need fixing, contrary to what Romney did at the Republican convention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Direct democracy= majoritarian rule. Bad.
    Direct democracy DOES NOT MEAN majority rule. Never has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlsj2012 View Post
    The electoral college has been working just fine and doesn't need fixing, contrary to what Romney did at the Republican convention.
    And what is your standard and what is your verifiable proof for this claim?
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    I'm tired of politicians just campaigning and pandering to a handful of swing votes. It's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous for individuals in deep red or blue states to know their vote doesn't matter at all. Get rid of the electorial college. It's outlived it's usefulness
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We should keep the electoral college. I do not like the idea of New York,California and a handful of other densely populated states being able to screw the rest of the country.This is why our forefathers went with the electoral college.
    I don't like the idea of some people's vote not counting at ALL because of the Electoral College.

    Which do you think is worse?
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    The Electoral College is one of my LEAST favorite aspects about government. It's medieval. It was predicated on the idea that people aren't smart enough to pick their own leaders, a fascistic idea in and of itself, and that somehow elected officials are better than people. Keep in mind that it was a compromise between the Federalists, who wanted Congress to vote for the President; and the Anti-Federalists, who wanted a direct popular election. Because of winner-take-all, the minority votes in some states have ZERO value. It's time to trash this undemocratic system and go for popular elections.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Every single vote counts now.
    Wrong.

    A Republican who votes for Romney in California will basically be throwing his vote in the garbage can.

    It is possible that Romney would win the popular vote but Obama would win the electoral vote. Even though I support Obama I don't want him to win that way.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Direct democracy DOES NOT MEAN majority rule. Never has.
    Direct Democracy is defined as a majority rule. I mean the most votes for one thing wins, you need a majority for that to happen. The losers were the minority.


    You do understand how direct democracy works right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Direct Democracy is defined as a majority rule. I mean the most votes for one thing wins, you need a majority for that to happen. The losers were the minority.


    You do understand how direct democracy works right?
    NO. YOu are absolutely incorrect. Here is a plethora of definitions of DIRECT DEMOCRACY for you. If these are not enough I will try to find a myriad of more definitions:

    Web definitions

    Direct democracy, classically termed pure democracy, is a form of democracy and a theory of civics in which sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens who choose to participate. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

    The history of direct democracy amongst non-indigenous peoples in the United States dates from the 1630s in the New England Colonies. Some New England town meetings still carry on that tradition.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Democracy_(history_in_US)

    System or process that depends on the voice of the people (and not representatives), usually through referendums or initiatives, to make public policy decisions.
    ThisNation.com--Glossary

    A form of democracy in which political power is exercised by the citizens without representatives acting of their behalf.
    Glossary

    Literally rule of the people; as interpreted in Athens, all decisions emanated from popular assembly without intermediation of elected representatives. (p. 130)
    occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/stearns_awl/m…

    A system in which people in a political community come together in a forum to make policy decisions themselves, with no intervening institution or officials.
    American Politics | Democracy and Citizenship » Glossary

    The involvement of electors directly in policy making without the need for representative legislators. This has advantages such as involving the people directly in the issues of interest to them and which directly impacts them. ...
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    As you can see over and over over again in these is the key component of the citizenry passing laws and public policy themselves without the benefit of representatives or officials as any sort of middle man.
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