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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Everyone is affected by everything our government does. And no one pays no taxes, but the people who are paying no federal income tax is because they're either exempt like service members, or are poor. Poor people have a lot of interest in how the government works, since it is failing them. Everyone has a say in the tax systems of this country because everyone is subject to it. Are you really suggesting that an increase on the marginal rates should only be voted on by millionaires? Should only prisoners get to vote on laws about prisons? Every single citizen of this country has a say in how it is run, and should have the same weight carried by their voice.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    If you get more from government than you pay in you are not paying taxes
    Then no one is. Especially not the billionaires who made their fortunes via government contracts, especially for the military, or companies that took advantage of opportunities presented by the government. Halliburton has certainly made more off of its government contracts than it has paid in taxes. The leaders of that company shouldn't be able to vote about taxes then, right?

    Also, this thread is not about taxes, but rather the direct election of the president. Try to stay on the ball.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Then no one is. Especially not the billionaires who made their fortunes via government contracts, especially for the military, or companies that took advantage of opportunities presented by the government. Halliburton has certainly made more off of its government contracts than it has paid in taxes. The leaders of that company shouldn't be able to vote about taxes then, right?

    Also, this thread is not about taxes, but rather the direct election of the president. Try to stay on the ball.
    You know most successful companies aren't involved with government contracts, right? Sure, some are, but most are not.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    If you get more from government than you pay in you are not paying taxes
    Careful young man, you're opening up a bee hive of logical arguments that would make the GOP look pretty stupid.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We know that it is possible for the candidate receiving the most votes to lose (Gore) and the voters in all but 7 states are now irrelevant to the candidates. The strategy of both is to forget about recieving a majority of votes and instead only care about the delegate count of 7 states.

    Do you think that regardless of the election outcome, there should be a constitutional amendment to have national elections (president) decided by direct democracy in which the winner is determined by which candidate received more votes nationwide?
    Seeing that the presidential election should be the least important and that congressional elections the most important.
    I don't see the need for any change.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    WTF?

    They represent the State as an entity, not the people.
    The so called State as an entity is meaningless and irrelevant without the citizens who live in it. As such, they ARE the State.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Careful young man, you're opening up a bee hive of logical arguments that would make the GOP look pretty stupid.
    What you mean how social security's not a tax it's just called that to wiggle around the constitution. Income tax makes up the majorrity of revenues raised for the federal govern ment so literally if you do not pay income tax you don't pay for nearly half of the federal government.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The so called State as an entity is meaningless and irrelevant without the citizens who live in it. As such, they ARE the State.
    Incorrect.
    They would still be a State without the people, and would still be represented in both the Senate and Congress.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Ron Paul is wrong on some things, but he knows full well that the electoral college is here for a reason.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Incorrect.
    They would still be a State without the people, and would still be represented in both the Senate and Congress.
    First of all, the Senate is part of Congress. To say "in both the Senate and the Congress" is factually incorrect. You could say in the Senate and the House of Representatives. The term CONGRESS takes in both of those parts of the national legislative branch.

    Secondly, Could you explain to us how that would work exactly? Tell us how the remainder of the American people would tolerate and accept that sort of thing where political representation is given to an area with not one person to politically represent. And tell us who exactly would do that actual representing in Congress in nobody lived in that state to qualify for the ballot? And tell us how those persons would get elected without any votes cast for them?
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