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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The mob is made up of other Americans, whose will you apparently can't stand. Since they're the majority of this nation, they are the character of this country, not you. The only people who have to fear the mob are those who make their way by trampling on them.
    What would you call the proposition in California that is allowing people to vote an increase on others taxes?

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That would require public financing of elections.
    I'm fine with that, in fact, I'd like to see an end to all individual or corporate financial contributions to any single candidate. If someone wants to give money to the political process, they can do so, it goes into a central fund and it is distributed to all of the qualifying candidates on a regular basis. People are prohibited from giving money to a specific candidate and candidates are prohibited from spending a penny of their own money. We need to end the election buying in this country.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    What would you call the proposition in California that is allowing people to vote an increase on others taxes?
    An every-day occurrence? At least one of those ends up on every ballot in California.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you think that regardless of the election outcome, there should be a constitutional amendment to have national elections (president) decided by direct democracy in which the winner is determined by which candidate received more votes nationwide?
    A direct democracy will not solve the problem, because the candidates you see on the menu are put their by Plutocrats. You have to control the process by which a person comes to be known as a presidential candidate to achieve a true sense of direct democracy. Just as electorates have representative power, so does the dollar bill, but the dollar bill has more power because a dollar bill puts the candidate on the American menu. You buy into the plutocrats candidate because no one else seems to exist because no one has the money to advertise at that level but the Plutocrats.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    What would you call the proposition in California that is allowing people to vote an increase on others taxes?
    Democracy.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Democracy.
    The problem is, you have people who pay absolutely no taxes whatsoever, voting to raise the taxes of others so they can benefit from the increased government revenues.

    If you're not going to be affected by the taxes, you shouldn't be able to vote for them.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, you have people who pay absolutely no taxes whatsoever, voting to raise the taxes of others so they can benefit from the increased government revenues.

    If you're not going to be affected by the taxes, you shouldn't be able to vote for them.
    Everyone is affected by everything our government does. And no one pays no taxes, but the people who are paying no federal income tax is because they're either exempt like service members, or are poor. Poor people have a lot of interest in how the government works, since it is failing them. Everyone has a say in the tax systems of this country because everyone is subject to it. Are you really suggesting that an increase on the marginal rates should only be voted on by millionaires? Should only prisoners get to vote on laws about prisons? Every single citizen of this country has a say in how it is run, and should have the same weight carried by their voice.
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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    That's why it has to be a national law. Maine's alternative is not legitimate because it goes against its own best interests to lose part of its electoral power, so, if everybody doesn't do it, even Maine's enfranchised non-winners lose because they will have to suffer under the state's voluntarily less influence. On a national referendum, the phony alternative of noble self-sacrifice while the less patriotic benefit is not the resulting situation.
    Could you translate that into English? I can't decipher your meaning.
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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Then you have the same problem of your vote not counting if your district is overwhelmingly on the other side, This is a national election, so it should be regulated from a national viewpoint.
    This I understand. By your logic going the other way, you can always be on the losing side but with no way to escape. If you are an R in California or a D in Texas, you can always move to another state to be around like minded people. With Maine/Nebraska model, you might only have to move to another district.

    Aside from that, they are national offices ( president and VP) but not national elections. That is why tie breakers go to the House and Senate respectively. Interesting that the House only gives 1 vote for the whole state.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Everyone is affected by everything our government does. And no one pays no taxes, but the people who are paying no federal income tax is because they're either exempt like service members, or are poor. Poor people have a lot of interest in how the government works, since it is failing them. Everyone has a say in the tax systems of this country because everyone is subject to it. Are you really suggesting that an increase on the marginal rates should only be voted on by millionaires? Should only prisoners get to vote on laws about prisons? Every single citizen of this country has a say in how it is run, and should have the same weight carried by their voice.
    That's horse crap. The only people failing the poor are the poor. Voters are notorious for voting to increase taxes on things they are not affected by. Tax the smokers. Tax the wealthy. Tax anyone else so that you, yourself, don't have to actually pay a penny to support the cause you supposedly support. It's amazingly easy to take money from someone else and give it to your pet cause. It's not so easy when voting to tax yourself to fund something you pretend is important to you.
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