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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    I don't hate I just don't want to be held hostage to the will of the mob. If you think the country needs to be fundamentally transformed amend the constitution or leave.
    "My way or the highway" is all that means. If you think that your fellow Americans are just a mob, then you are the one who doesn't belong here.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I never understood this argument, because it works the other way too: Like it is now, the small, sparsely populated states and their countryside voters "screw" the rest of the country (especially those living in the larger cities).
    As long as the more populous states don't feel screwed by this, then the disproportionate power of the less populous states is paradoxically endorsed by the absolute rule of the majority. People want to have the option of moving there or vacationing there. Besides, we get most of our food and minerals from the less populated areas, so it's in the interest of the majority to give them more services than they would deserve if we were only going by the numbers, by quantity rather than quality.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    and all barriors to 3 parties need to be removed.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Discussing the Electoral College in the context of how much campaign money spent in each state is the most irrelevant argument against.

    Also, saying that a state "always" votes one way or the other is short sighted. A state voting the same way 5 elections in a row doesn't mean "always."

    I'm against full direct popular vote and it isn't happening anyway because the Constitution would have to be changed. Also, a recount could be a major fiasco.

    The effort to block vote states is a horrible idea. A majority of the citizens in one state could vote for candidate A while the block forces an electoral vote for Candidate B.

    What is done in Maine and Nebraska is a very legitimate alternative and Constitutionally valid. Here in PA, the republicans brought it up in the State House, but the Democrats shut it down. They didn't want Obama possibly losing electoral votes with some districts likely voting for the R candidate.
    That's why it has to be a national law. Maine's alternative is not legitimate because it goes against its own best interests to lose part of its electoral power, so, if everybody doesn't do it, even Maine's enfranchised non-winners lose because they will have to suffer under the state's voluntarily less influence. On a national referendum, the phony alternative of noble self-sacrifice while the less patriotic benefit is not the resulting situation.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Not sure what you mean. The Constitution provides a voice for both the people and the states in the federal government, and was amended to provide a greater voice at the expense of the states.
    It doesn't provide a voice, it only provides a whisper.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Giving it thought, it should be on a Congressional district level, not purely democratic. But not this "key states and no one else matters" BS.
    Then you have the same problem of your vote not counting if your district is overwhelmingly on the other side, This is a national election, so it should be regulated from a national viewpoint.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We know that it is possible for the candidate receiving the most votes to lose (Gore) and the voters in all but 7 states are now irrelevant to the candidates. The strategy of both is to forget about recieving a majority of votes and instead only care about the delegate count of 7 states.

    Do you think that regardless of the election outcome, there should be a constitutional amendment to have national elections (president) decided by direct democracy in which the winner is determined by which candidate received more votes nationwide?
    On top of keeping the electoral college, we should also be requiring a competency test for voters.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    It doesn't provide a voice, it only provides a whisper.
    In what regard?

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Not just a compromise, but The Great Compromise.
    I thought that was about the bicameral legislature and one being population based and the other being equal among the states.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    and all barriors to 3 parties need to be removed.
    That would require public financing of elections.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    In what regard?
    Being locked inside the Constitutional Convention and debating in secret, the Federalists paid as little attention to the voice of the people outside as they would have to a whisper in a dust storm.
    Last edited by PrometheusBound; 10-25-12 at 06:23 PM.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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