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Thread: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The electoral college allows for minority rule. I think it should be disbanded.

    These 2 videos can explain it all better than I would care to.




    Okay, you convinced me. A huge problem in America however if there's a huge portion of the population who see "change" as innately a bad thing. Then add changing the constitution and even though it makes all the sense in the world, there will be those who will resist it as if their lives depended on it. I've been on a soapbox for almost a decade over freeing ourselves from petroleum, something that makes sense on numerous levels but people hate change. Just stopped myself from posting an offtopic tangent. But is was a good tangent. Sent it to some friends privately. If anyone wants to see my oil rant, just PM me.

    But yeah, do away with the EC. Direct vote for POTUS and create a runoff system. I like the instant runoff the best but it confuses some people. Instant-runoff voting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Okay, you convinced me. A huge problem in America however if there's a huge portion of the population who see "change" as innately a bad thing. Then add changing the constitution and even though it makes all the sense in the world, there will be those who will resist it as if their lives depended on it. I've been on a soapbox for almost a decade over freeing ourselves from petroleum, something that makes sense on numerous levels. Just stopped myself from posting an offtopic tangent. But is was a good tangent. Sent it to some friends privately. If anyone wants to see my oil rant, just PM me.
    Yes... I acknowledge the fear of change.

    Anyway. You oil rants... why not start a thread?

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Yes... I acknowledge the fear of change.

    Anyway. You oil rants... why not start a thread?
    Good idea!
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    I don't hate I just don't want to be held hostage to the will of the mob. If you think the country needs to be fundamentally transformed amend the constitution or leave.
    The mob is made up of other Americans, whose will you apparently can't stand. Since they're the majority of this nation, they are the character of this country, not you. The only people who have to fear the mob are those who make their way by trampling on them.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    The President does not represent the people in our government - which explains, in part, why the people neither elect him nor a right to vote for him.
    The President is the President of the United States, not the People if the United States, and thus the states rightly determine who hold that office.
    I agree that this is the anti-democratic status quo caused by the obsolete aristocratic attitude enacted in the elitists' 18th Century Constitution. Lincoln omitted a last paragraph referring to that document, "But four score minus six years ago, government of the people, by the people, and for the people did perish from the earth."
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Giving it thought, it should be on a Congressional district level, not purely democratic. But not this "key states and no one else matters" BS.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    I agree that this is the anti-democratic status quo caused by the obsolete aristocratic attitude enacted in the elitists' 18th Century Constitution.
    Not sure what you mean. The Constitution provides a voice for both the people and the states in the federal government, and was amended to provide a greater voice at the expense of the states.

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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You just pointed out the solution to the problem with the the Electorial college. I live in California it is winner take all. Thats why its seems as though your vote dont count. Make it to where the winner gets the amount of delegates they won plus two and the loser gets their delegates. Winner take all is a bastardization of a very good compromise. Nebraska has proprotional representation as does Minnesota I believe. Not positive on Minnisota. Anyway even though Nebraska is very conservative the Omaha Lincoln area is not so much and they generally get a represinative at the College. If winner take all was eliminated I have feeling people would be more inclined to vote because it would actually count for something. It would also put many more states in play as you would have more to make up for the delegates you didnt get. California would go from 54 delegates to 30 for the winner. The winner would have to win else where now to get the votes they need to win office.
    The least populous states would give three votes to the winner and none to the loser, no matter how slight the margin of victory. Allowing fractional votes, it still would be an unrepresentative two and a half + votes to the winner and approximately a half vote to the loser. So I think the winner shouldn't get the senatorial votes. In 2000, Bush would have gotten 15 and Gore 14 of Florida's vote, or Bush 14.51 and Gore 14.49. Fractional votes may look strange, but that's only because we are not used to it.
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    re: Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?[W:193]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    IOW, you don't like One man, One vote.
    You want to continue the DISproportionate power of the Sparser Western RED States.. of course.

    This disproportionate power also, and related, weighs on the day-to-day running of our Government through the Senate.
    1 Million People in Wyoming have 2 Senators, while 20 Million people in NY have only the same 2 Senators.
    20 Million People living in Wyoming, Montana, Utah, etc, Totaled together, have far more power than the same number living in one Larger state.
    Thus, Laws are made, Judges approved, and money distributed, Unequally in favor of sparser RED States.
    People from Wyoming could also say that they are just as much of a state as New York, so why should New York have so much more representation in the House? What you are asking for is to get rid of the Senate. The balance of power is still with the more populous states, so this equal representation in the Senate is a compromise. Although I do have trouble with quota systems.
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    Time for direct democracy - end electorial college?

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