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    If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    You dont have to be ultra poor to receive food stamps, it might not be great priorities but, everyone I know who has been on food stamps still managed to buy some beer every now and again. I don't think a 6-pack of Coors is really on par with having a brand new iphone as I could find the change to buy a 6 pack in my truck.

    Welfare as in TANF, is a much tighter program, I almost assure you that if you see someone with fancy stuff on TANF they are either making money illegally (such as dealing drugs) or lying to the government about thier situation, a crime in any case.

    As to pictures, sure you could find needy looking people with new Nikes and phones but what would that prove?

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I accidentally voted yes. My answer is no way!

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Military families qualify for foodstamps.
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Military families qualify for foodstamps.
    I was unaware we pay them so poorly that they do. I think exceptions are fine like that, if laid off for a short time, etc but other than that naw. Td and Maggie voting yes is surprising.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by hikari View Post
    You dont have to be ultra poor to receive food stamps, it might not be great priorities but, everyone I know who has been on food stamps still managed to buy some beer every now and again. I don't think a 6-pack of Coors is really on par with having a brand new iphone as I could find the change to buy a 6 pack in my truck.

    Welfare as in TANF, is a much tighter program, I almost assure you that if you see someone with fancy stuff on TANF they are either making money illegally (such as dealing drugs) or lying to the government about thier situation, a crime in any case.

    As to pictures, sure you could find needy looking people with new Nikes and phones but what would that prove?
    It would prove good programs are abused by bad people.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I was unaware we pay them so poorly that they do. I think exceptions are fine like that, if laid off for a short time, etc but other than that naw. Td and Maggie voting yes is surprising.
    I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

    I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

    I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
    An iPhone on contract and a pay as you go phone are two different things. The difference is at least $40 a month.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I was unaware we pay them so poorly that they do. I think exceptions are fine like that, if laid off for a short time, etc but other than that naw. Td and Maggie voting yes is surprising.
    They are part of Rmoney's 47%

    Romney's 47% made up of seniors, students, military members - Minneapolis News and Weather KMSP FOX 9

    Most of the 47 percent Romney mentioned still pay federal pay roll taxes -- but half of them are seniors who draw on Social Security. Students and military members also fall into that percentage swath.

    If you take out those groups, only 8 percent of the U.S. population does not pay any federal income tax. Most make under $20,000 a year and they get tax breaks that came when Ronald Reagan's tax reform took millions of the working poor off the tax rolls. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich spearheaded the child tax credit.

    Read more: Romney's 47% made up of seniors, students, military members - Minneapolis News and Weather KMSP FOX 9
    I think we have no business judging how others spend their money. We don't criticize the rich who get welfare in the form of tax cuts, why go after the poor>
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    What kind of dumb question is this?

    So, you want to inventory everyone's possessions? Conservatives... the anti-government people who want to use the government to see what you own.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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