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Thread: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I have this:

    Noncompaction cardiomyopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'm not supposed to do the kind of work you are talking about any more.
    Then you are the exception and not the rule. My mother in law, who is 60, actually has something similar to this or maybe even the same thing...and she used to clean for a living. She no longer works a regular job. I honestly don't have a problem with that at all.

    But I do have two healthy sister in laws, one healthy sister and one healthy brother in law who give me the excuses that I listed in my earlier post.

    If you really can't work that is one thing but if a person can work and yet refuses to embrace the opportunities that arise for them, it is yet another thing and not a good one. Even people who can't do physical labor can sometimes (depending on circumstances work). Nothing should stop them from working a desk job or selling things online. Though the opportunities are limited they are not null and void.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Welfare should be offered in the same manner foriegn aid should be offered. Not in the form of cash but in the form of goods and services.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Welfare should be offered in the same manner foriegn aid should be offered. Not in the form of cash but in the form of goods and services.
    Just like a republican; increase the size of government to oversee this program.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Give us example of "many" options.

    Tell us how these many options are available outside large metropolitan areas.

    How quickly can someone avail themselves of these services?

    How comprehensive are these services?

    One, two, three appointments at an hour each?

    The services are free? No one pays for them? And the people providing the services are qualified professionals? The building they work in is free? The utilities are free? The phones are free? The receptionists are free? No one pays anyone anything and these free services are available to anyone who needs them? Who knew? I always thought someone had to pay for all this free stuff. You are saying it just happens? Magic?
    I figured you'd be astute enough to understand that free, means free to the person in need.
    I guess I was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Oh, that's helpful.
    And you've done what exactly?
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Just like a republican; increase the size of government to oversee this program.
    no increases necessary. Sorry if you feel your cash cow is being threatened. I believe government assistance ought to be effective and substantial...and given to the right people for the right reasons. But look how cute you are immediately running to your typical partisan ranting. Do you have another soundtrack or is that ALL you know?

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I figured you'd be astute enough to understand that free, means free to the person in need.
    I guess I was wrong.
    Point being you and a couple of other people here are whining about people receiving welfare and government assistance and then y'all talk about free services. The services are not free, the services are normally not comprehensive and often not available outside of major metro areas. The services aren't free. Somebody is paying for them to be available.

    Often we hear free services mentioned alongside churches and charities. Most are tapped out. They help when they can, but most no longer have the money. Many are trying to find ways to fund their existing services. There are qualified volunteers, sure, but their time is limited.

    It's not you personally Harry, but rather the people you have been listening to. They don't know what they are talking about. Sure, oh yeah, it sounds good, but it isn't that way in real life. Think about it. The people who told you it that all these things were wonderfully available for "free" are stupid or they are lying to you. None of the services are "free". Somebody is paying. The people providing services really should be qualified or you end up getting a volunteer like your man Fisher providing mental health counseling.

    Person: Yes, I don't know where to turn. We've lost everything. We are looking for work, but it's difficult. I can't sleep at all. I don't know where to begin. Everything I do seems to be the wrong thing. Where do I start? I've got food stamps and a welfare check every two weeks. I can't decide what I should do. My husband left us. He couldn't cope. I don't want to lose my children. What will I do with them if I get a job? My mother is in a nursing home. She's the only family I have. I still have a car. I'll need it to get to work. I don't know what to do.

    Fisher the mental health volunteer: Whining only makes it worse. Wallowing in misery makes you more miserable.

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    [Certainly your lot understands that depression is characterized by a number of issues such as the inability to prioritize, the inability to make decisions, self-doubt. Mental health also requires assessment. I don't know that a counselor could ever wrap it all up in an hour, LOL! - unless the client doesn't require assistance.]

    I'm no mental health counselor, but I pretty familiar with the field and how it functions. It's serious stuff.


    And you've done what exactly?
    I'm not sure what you mean by the question.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Just like a republican; increase the size of government to oversee this program.
    Don't know much about it do you? We've been doing that for years here in Oregon. They get their grant loaded on an Oregon Trail card which they can use to buy goods (approved goods - food, diapers, etc.). Takes less government to administer.

    What's taking more government to administer has been extendintg the program to illegal aliens rather than just kicking their butts out. But the feds don't want to do their job.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    My choice hinges on what exactly is being excluded.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
    If it can be proven that those individuals are actually paying for those things I say just deduct that from the welfare/foodstamps.So if they got a 80 dollar phone cell bill then deduct 80 dollars from their foodstamps/welfare. If they are buying 4 cartons of cigarettes and they are smoking generic and those generic cigs cost 30 dollars a cartoon then deduct a 120 dollars from their welfare/foodstamps. If they are buying a case of beer every week and that case of beer is 15 dollars then deduct 60 dollars from their foodstamps/welfare. Before someone tries to scream but you need a phone there are life line services were you can get a free cell phone and only pay a dollar a month,so there is no reason to own a iphone when you are supposed to be broke for cash.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Point being you and a couple of other people here are whining about people receiving welfare and government assistance and then y'all talk about free services. The services are not free, the services are normally not comprehensive and often not available outside of major metro areas. The services aren't free. Somebody is paying for them to be available.
    I'm not whining about it, I'm saying that there is a middle ground on this issue.
    I think people, who need social services, like food stamps, WIC, Children's Medicaid, etc, should use it.

    With that said, I also think they have a responsibility to make life adjustments, to get off said programs.
    If at all possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Often we hear free services mentioned alongside churches and charities. Most are tapped out. They help when they can, but most no longer have the money. Many are trying to find ways to fund their existing services. There are qualified volunteers, sure, but their time is limited.
    I understand, but there is a mix of help and self help services.
    One does not necessarily have to utilize a program, but can just utilize the materials, teaching oneself have to make these life adjustments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's not you personally Harry, but rather the people you have been listening to. They don't know what they are talking about. Sure, oh yeah, it sounds good, but it isn't that way in real life. Think about it. The people who told you it that all these things were wonderfully available for "free" are stupid or they are lying to you. None of the services are "free". Somebody is paying. The people providing services really should be qualified or you end up getting a volunteer like your man Fisher providing mental health counseling.
    While not in a formal function, I've tried to help people in appears to be a financial panic mode.
    A lot just hear me, but don't listen.
    I wouldn't have a problem volunteering my time for free, for something like this.
    It's actually one of my favorite subjects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Person: Yes, I don't know where to turn. We've lost everything. We are looking for work, but it's difficult. I can't sleep at all. I don't know where to begin. Everything I do seems to be the wrong thing. Where do I start? I've got food stamps and a welfare check every two weeks. I can't decide what I should do. My husband left us. He couldn't cope. I don't want to lose my children. What will I do with them if I get a job? My mother is in a nursing home. She's the only family I have. I still have a car. I'll need it to get to work. I don't know what to do.
    If you were really having these problems, I'm sure we could come up with some solutions, but you aren't.
    Hell, I could probably do a lot of the car work, for free.

    Maybe for the cost of parts, depending on their situation, maybe completely free.



    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    [Certainly your lot understands that depression is characterized by a number of issues such as the inability to prioritize, the inability to make decisions, self-doubt. Mental health also requires assessment. I don't know that a counselor could ever wrap it all up in an hour, LOL! - unless the client doesn't require assistance.]

    I'm no mental health counselor, but I pretty familiar with the field and how it functions. It's serious stuff.
    I understand this.
    I was once, completely broke, with no where to turn, I accepted some charity from a person, they were wonderful, wanted nothing in return and I'm completely grateful.

    However I know the one thing that kept me down was being miserable.
    Changing my attitude is what changed everything.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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