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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are many options for advice and assistance.
    Free financial planning and counseling services, exist.
    Give us example of "many" options.

    Tell us how these many options are available outside large metropolitan areas.

    How quickly can someone avail themselves of these services?

    How comprehensive are these services?

    One, two, three appointments at an hour each?

    The services are free? No one pays for them? And the people providing the services are qualified professionals? The building they work in is free? The utilities are free? The phones are free? The receptionists are free? No one pays anyone anything and these free services are available to anyone who needs them? Who knew? I always thought someone had to pay for all this free stuff. You are saying it just happens? Magic?

    Wallowing in misery, does not fix misery.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    How do you teach people to pay their bills when the government does it for them?
    Fisher, do try to keep up. Is English your first language?










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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    No, I paid my divorce settlement many years ago.

    She's the mother of my one and only child and she's not realistically employable. Her health is poor, she's diabetic and has had a stroke which still leaves her with balance problems. She had a job working for my company for many years. After I sold my shares, they continued to employ her but within a few years, they drove the company into the ground.

    She lived with her boyfriend for most of the last 30 years but in 2001 I adopted a cat that had been hit by a car. Because of her mangled face, nobody wanted her. My boy cat just hated her and she lived on top of a bookcase because he would attack her. Too sad.

    So, when she (ex-wife) approached me about getting a place of her own since Mr. Boyfriend is an alcoholic who knows everything (but he loves her dearly and does many things for her so he's aces in my book) I bought her a townhouse on condition she adopt the cat. That was in 2002. The townhouse was next to my ex-girlfriends house and we've (ex-GF) remained close friends over the years. Ultimately, I bough another townhouse for a cat shelter and then another one that I moved into. Silly, huh? I now own 8 townhouses in this complex, 6 for rentals, one for her and one for me and Team Meow.

    In return for the house and an allowance, she (ex-wife) does all my food preparation so it's an OK deal all the way around. I never remarried, had 20 pretty hot girlfriends over the years and I'm now content to live with the cats. So, WTH, I support her (and the cat) and I really don't mind it. I'm 69 so my next life stage involves turning into dust, so I might as well be nice.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    If you can get massive income from investments and still get SSDI or SS, (after not paying into it) then actually the poor should get 2x SSDI or SS.

    refering to the cap on SS taxs on wages and no SS taxes on unearned income.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by edeneen View Post
    you can't use food stamps to buy anything but food
    Well, theoretically you are correct. I did have the misfortune of giving a crack ho a ride one day who seemed like a nice person at first who had missed the bus by my doctor's office and wanted a ride to the shopping center up the road. Once she got into the car, it was a whole other thing. She offered to do things if I had a food stamp card since I told her I had no cash, and I do know that people will trade you their credits for cash at a discount--say I buy $50.00 worth of your groceries on my card and you pay me $35.00 cash type transactions.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Fisher, do try to keep up. Is English your first language?
    No American is

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I think people look at welfare a little too closely and stereotypically. My friend has 4 kids, hasn't had gas in her home for a year, gets $135 every 2 weeks and is paying down a $600 electric bill her edex left her with with the money. Her ex pays all but $100 if her rent and she makes it off of that and foodstamps each month including diapers for 2.babies, wipies, and all.
    I get TANF ($513/mo), foodstamps ($749/mo),
    have 3 kids and pay $950/mo in rent plus utilities.
    Its a lease weve aad since before losing our jobs. My sons have no beds, there are two rooms in our home with nothing (not a dresser,piece of clothing, bed etc) in them. I have a literal 7 pieces of furniture in m: home and a crappy 03 Chevy Cavalier that the breaks, shocks and struts, and AC need fixed on. (n Nv AC isn't just a luxury in 120 degree heat. My kids own nothing more than a gamecube that I refuse to sell. Ill be damned if I can't have my soda, cigarettes that I usually bun off other people to.complete a pack, and my occassional $1.50 mikes hard lemonade. And we make nothing extra a month, there are no utility subsidies in NV, its a one time payment of $100 that doesn't cover my ****ing $260 downpayment on my electric o" $165 on gas ir $125 on water. I go out and panhandle or sit for hours on the Vegas strip, sometimes days, making palm flowers and trying to sell them for $5 a pop to make our bills. even if we move to a month to month if we break this lease a one bedroom costs nearly $800 a month and we couldnt get a deposit for a cheaper apartment (for those of you who would ask why we don't change our cost of living) and there is nowhere we can live for the $513 we get a month.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Not sure what's worse. The dynamics of poverty...or the ignorance about it. Right now...after reading through this thread...looks like ignorance about the genuine dynamics of poverty is winning out.

    The first place people start their arguments relate to "abuse of the system" rather than examining the root causes and generational effects. Of course the easier path of least resistance is the standard bull**** perspective that all people on welfare are low-life lazy folks who live to extort taxpayer money.

    Children and the indigent elderly are the largest groups who are recipients. Yep, thoses badass kids and old ****ers who cleverly plot to steal from the government...thus the taxpayers.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    No, I paid my divorce settlement many years ago.

    She's the mother of my one and only child and she's not realistically employable. Her health is poor, she's diabetic and has had a stroke which still leaves her with balance problems. She had a job working for my company for many years. After I sold my shares, they continued to employ her but within a few years, they drove the company into the ground.

    She lived with her boyfriend for most of the last 30 years but in 2001 I adopted a cat that had been hit by a car. Because of her mangled face, nobody wanted her. My boy cat just hated her and she lived on top of a bookcase because he would attack her. Too sad.

    So, when she (ex-wife) approached me about getting a place of her own since Mr. Boyfriend is an alcoholic who knows everything (but he loves her dearly and does many things for her so he's aces in my book) I bought her a townhouse on condition she adopt the cat. That was in 2002. The townhouse was next to my ex-girlfriends house and we've (ex-GF) remained close friends over the years. Ultimately, I bough another townhouse for a cat shelter and then another one that I moved into. Silly, huh? I now own 8 townhouses in this complex, 6 for rentals, one for her and one for me and Team Meow.

    In return for the house and an allowance, she (ex-wife) does all my food preparation so it's an OK deal all the way around. I never remarried, had 20 pretty hot girlfriends over the years and I'm now content to live with the cats. So, WTH, I support her (and the cat) and I really don't mind it. I'm 69 so my next life stage involves turning into dust, so I might as well be nice.
    Nice.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I get it. But the phones are often free. Minimum service at $40/month isn't outrageous.

    I know the program is abused. I get that. I'm talking, not about the people who abuse it, but about the people who genuinely need it. If we are giving welfare to people who don't deserve it, that's on "us." But people on welfare shouldn't have to live like peons. That's not the purpose of the program, in my opinion.
    And don't forget that most job notifications are done online. People who are unemployed can search for jobs online. They can also apply for jobs online as well. So having a smartphone allows them to do that.

    And for those who are poor and have a job they still need phones, and most people prefer cell phones to land lines. Especially since cell phones can be used for emergencies.

    And welfare isn't just to get people from unemployed to employed. A lot of welfare is "workfare" - it provides various necessary subsidies to the working poor. This is because those working poor can't afford to pay for all the things they need on just the wages they earn, so welfare entitlements provide them with extra support.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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