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Thread: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I am not going to parse what should or should not be permissible because I get yelled at for stereotyping when I do. I saw a show that said cellphones have lifted more people out of poverty than anything else. I cannot prove it. Just something that was agreed to by talking heads on different sides of an issue so I assume it may be true. My problem is that there are no time limitations or any meaningful oversight for a great many of our welfare programs. We make it too easy for people to sit on their laurels and there is no oversight to prevent the abuse. I have been told stories of people who tried to report abusers who had under the table jobs and the like and they were told there was nothing they could do about it or said there was no way they could prove the big wad of cash they carried around was theirs or somebody else's whom they could theoretically be helping out.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Cell phones are necessary for most people who actually do want to work. You have to be "contactable".

    However, cell phones do not have to be expensive, and I'm a case in point...

    Cell phones, and especially smart phones, hold absolutely zero fascination for me. I can afford one, but I have a pay-as-you-go flip phone by choice. The phone cost me $25, and was a one-time expense. I buy minutes at $25 every 90 days... or $100/yr... or averages out to $8.33/mo. That is not a lot of money. My minutes are 10c/min, they roll over and accumulate. So, unless you're one of those people for whom the phone is an extension of their ear, a phone does not have to be an extravagant expense at all.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Obviously someone who receives the entitlements is going to view this different then others would. But then again people who don't will agree they should be able to spend whatever they want. I said no because to me personally if i was receiving these benefits it would be to maintain a normal style of living. Using money received from the government for high end electronics or cars middle class families cant afford i would consider that living way above your means. All i am saying is for me personally if i were getting welfare checks, food stamps ect.. it would be used to keep me and my family healthy clothed and from starvation.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Actually, if you're really hard up for money to live on, you should inventory your possessions.
    Sell some of what you don't need (not all of it, of course) to raise money to cover things that need to be paid for.
    Interesting concept. You do realize that many people don't fully conceptualize the need to do that? Some would benefit from advice and assistance. Whoops! Can't do that, that costs money. So what do we do for them?

    Of course you know all about the psychological and emotional turmoil people and families go through when they lose everything including hope. They are often traumatized. They often need professional help. They often become depressed, some even suicidal. What is rational when your world no longer exists?










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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Well here we are once again, the welfare people shouldn't have thread. How many times have we seen this or something similar?

    1. Oil companies, farmers, businesses, government contractors receive government welfare and as far as I know every damned one of them have cell phones and all the other things.

    2. Everyone here knows people who have lost their jobs and their careers. Many are just barely hanging on and many have lost their homes. Everyone that I know had cellphones before they lost their jobs. Everyone had cars. Most had homes. I don't know any who were on drugs, some drank socially. Now that they are unemployed and very much looking for gainful employment some people would have them living in a shelter, sharing a pay phone down the hall and otherwise just looking for work or suffering for being such terrible economic losers. It's all their ****ing fault, right? I mean as soon as you collect welfare you should immediately give up everything, right?

    3. The dumb ****ing idea that everyone receiving a hand up from the government is a drug addict and an alcoholic is simply stupid. Anyone who was displaced and out of work and needed assistance because of the OKC bombing, 911 or Kartrina was a loser and should have had all his/her cellphones, etc. asap. If they had been caught drinking a beer while receiving assistance they should have jailed, right?
    No, it's not like that, for me.
    It's all about cash inflow and cash outflow.

    If your cash outflow is greater than your inflow, well obviously, try to as a stop gap from losing your home, use state aid.
    However, after you've stabilized the situation, it's time to get down and dirty on cutting outflow expenses, so you can move on and off of state aid.
    That would, of course, include canceling your contract cell phone service and finding a cheaper alternative.

    It's what should be common sense stuff.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Interesting concept. You do realize that many people don't fully conceptualize the need to do that? Some would benefit from advice and assistance. Whoops! Can't do that, that costs money. So what do we do for them?

    Of course you know all about the psychological and emotional turmoil people and families go through when they lose everything including hope. They are often traumatized. They often need professional help. They often become depressed, some even suicidal. What is rational when your world no longer exists?
    There are many options for advice and assistance.
    Free financial planning and counseling services, exist.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Interesting concept. You do realize that many people don't fully conceptualize the need to do that? Some would benefit from advice and assistance. Whoops! Can't do that, that costs money. So what do we do for them?

    Of course you know all about the psychological and emotional turmoil people and families go through when they lose everything including hope. They are often traumatized. They often need professional help. They often become depressed, some even suicidal. What is rational when your world no longer exists?
    How do you teach people to pay their bills when the government does it for them?

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
    Drugs-drugs? How eloquent. What you pay for 6 pack of beer will get you a 10-15 dollar meth hit in most cities South of New York.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

    I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
    a disabled veteran on a military disability pension buying beer doesn't bother me a bit

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I really think all of you should read my previous post for more context. What I am saying is, is the system gets abused.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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