View Poll Results: Should people be able to get entitlements if they are getting these other things?

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Thread: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What kind of dumb question is this?

    So, you want to inventory everyone's possessions? Conservatives... the anti-government people who want to use the government to see what you own.
    Actually, if you're really hard up for money to live on, you should inventory your possessions.
    Sell some of what you don't need (not all of it, of course) to raise money to cover things that need to be paid for.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    And access to jobs for which you need a phone.
    You don't need a $110 Data plan + smart phone to make phone calls for jobs.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You don't need a $110 Data plan + smart phone to make phone calls for jobs.
    Duh. Show me the welfare check that allows that.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    When did welfare become 'Entitlements"?
    I try to stop calling it entitlements. I don't like the word. Sometimes I fail.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Duh. Show me the welfare check that allows that.
    Where did I say a welfare check allows that?
    Hell, if your on food stamps, you get a free phone + minutes, if you want it.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Where did I say a welfare check allows that?
    Hell, if your on food stamps, you get a free phone + minutes, if you want it.
    Right here

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You don't need a $110 Data plan + smart phone to make phone calls for jobs.


    When I said you need a phone to get a job.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Right here





    When I said you need a phone to get a job.
    You must be jumping to conclusions here.
    I didn't assume a welfare check allows that, because people using state aid, can still have jobs at the same time.

    The thing I have a problem with, is the people who use state aid (in it's various forms) don't necessarily prioritize their financial situation (aka cash flow specifically), to get off of state aid.
    Hence the $110 data plan/smart phone comment.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You must be jumping to conclusions here.
    I didn't assume a welfare check allows that, because people using state aid, can still have jobs at the same time.

    The thing I have a problem with, is the people who use state aid (in it's various forms) don't necessarily prioritize their financial situation (aka cash flow specifically), to get off of state aid.
    Hence the $110 data plan/smart phone comment.
    Ah. Well, doesn't state aide limit the time you can receive it? Unless it's foodstamps.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Ah. Well, doesn't state aide limit the time you can receive it? Unless it's foodstamps.
    For TANF, yes.
    Everything else, I don't believe so.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Well here we are once again, the welfare people shouldn't have thread. How many times have we seen this or something similar?

    1. Oil companies, farmers, businesses, government contractors receive government welfare and as far as I know every damned one of them have cell phones and all the other things.

    2. Everyone here knows people who have lost their jobs and their careers. Many are just barely hanging on and many have lost their homes. Everyone that I know had cellphones before they lost their jobs. Everyone had cars. Most had homes. I don't know any who were on drugs, some drank socially. Now that they are unemployed and very much looking for gainful employment some people would have them living in a shelter, sharing a pay phone down the hall and otherwise just looking for work or suffering for being such terrible economic losers. It's all their ****ing fault, right? I mean as soon as you collect welfare you should immediately give up everything, right?

    3. The dumb ****ing idea that everyone receiving a hand up from the government is a drug addict and an alcoholic is simply stupid. Anyone who was displaced and out of work and needed assistance because of the OKC bombing, 911 or Kartrina was a loser and should have had all his/her cellphones, etc. asap. If they had been caught drinking a beer while receiving assistance they should have jailed, right?










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