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Thread: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    An iPhone on contract and a pay as you go phone are two different things. The difference is at least $40 a month.
    Yeah, I get it. But the phones are often free. Minimum service at $40/month isn't outrageous.

    I know the program is abused. I get that. I'm talking, not about the people who abuse it, but about the people who genuinely need it. If we are giving welfare to people who don't deserve it, that's on "us." But people on welfare shouldn't have to live like peons. That's not the purpose of the program, in my opinion.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    They are part of Rmoney's 47%

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    I think we have no business judging how others spend their money. We don't criticize the rich who get welfare in the form of tax cuts, why go after the poor>
    You mistake me for something else. I think the rich need not have welfare either if they don't need it. Whysoserious same thing; I've lived my adult life a hard working, honest democrat. Why should I have to expect less out of others? Because they are weak and want things that require budgeting?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I get it. But the phones are often free. Minimum service at $40/month isn't outrageous.

    I know the program is abused. I get that. I'm talking, not about the people who abuse it, but about the people who genuinely need it. If we are giving welfare to people who don't deserve it, that's on "us." But people on welfare shouldn't have to live like peons. That's not the purpose of the program, in my opinion.
    I get where you are coming from and I think we see eye to eye. I think my poll and post may have came off as to extreme.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    You mistake me for something else. I think the rich need not have welfare either if they don't need it. Whysoserious same thing; I've lived my adult life a hard working, honest democrat. Why should I have to expect less out of others? Because they are weak and want things that require budgeting?
    Maybe their chances for being ABLE to be hired are not the same as yours? Fewer jobs allow for more discrimination in the work place, don't you think?
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Maybe their chances for being ABLE to be hired are not the same as yours? Fewer jobs allow for more discrimination in the work place, don't you think?
    It most assuredly does allow for more discrimination. And not one bit of it needs to be racial.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
    Depends.
    See personally, I think if someone wants to get off these programs, they should carefully spend their money.
    That means that they shouldn't be buying booze or smokes.

    Already having an Iphone, no biggie, however the bill that goes along with it should be curtailed, until said person is able to sustain them self, without state aid.

    Priorities folks, it's all about priorities.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

    I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
    Same here, pretty much. I don't understand the desire by some to dictate and micromanage other people's lives.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It most assuredly does allow for more discrimination. And not one bit of it needs to be racial.
    Alot of it is for the long term unemployed, elderly, as well.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    When did welfare become 'Entitlements"?

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Depends.
    See personally, I think if someone wants to get off these programs, they should carefully spend their money.
    That means that they shouldn't be buying booze or smokes.

    Already having an Iphone, no biggie, however the bill that goes along with it should be curtailed, until said person is able to sustain them self, without state aid.

    Priorities folks, it's all about priorities.

    And access to jobs for which you need a phone.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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