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Thread: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Absolutely not, very few things tick me off more than some dumbass with an iPhone in an SUV picking up prescriptions covered under Medicaid. We should not subsidize poor financial planning.
    Have you actually seen this? Have you snuck up at the counter at the pharmacy then followed the customer out to see what they drove? How many times? I was just at my pharmacy, used my cell phone. Then partial payment was with my Medicare card. Then went out and got in my 2010 Mazda 5. From what you could see of me would I rank as a dumb ass?

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    This is the dumbest ass thing I've seen in this thread so far.


    I have student loans and guess what? I actually pay them off because they are loans not grants. Look up the definitions it can help you in the future when "debating".
    The government subsidizes the interest on many student loans. Furthermore, the government acts as the guarantor on behalf of the student for many loans, so it enables people to get assistance who otherwise could not (or who would otherwise have to pay an exorbitant interest rate to compensate for the high risk). It is simply not correct that they are merely loans, with no direct benefit from the government to the student.

    Yet most people are rarely so judgmental as to think that college kids shouldn't be allowed to have federally-subsidized student loans if they can afford beer.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post




    The government subsidizes the interest on many student loans. Furthermore, the government acts as the guarantor on behalf of the student for many loans, so it enables people to get assistance who otherwise could not (or who would otherwise have to pay an exorbitant interest rate to compensate for the high risk). It is simply not correct that they are merely loans, with no direct benefit from the government to the student.

    Yet most people are rarely so judgmental as to think that college kids shouldn't be allowed to have federally-subsidized student loans if they can afford beer.
    Regardless of how you try to cut it your point is weak. I personally never knew anyone buying beer with their student loans they had jobs for that kind of stuff. If you think someone who chooses to not work or will work less hours because it helps them keep their government help is the same as someone that will likely be a Netgain to society, then you don't live in any reality I know.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
    Thing is that an Iphone functions like the poor man's version of the computer.

    It's what they use in the place of a tablet, laptop, or desktop.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Regardless of how you try to cut it your point is weak. I personally never knew anyone buying beer with their student loans they had jobs for that kind of stuff.
    I can't speak to anyone else's experience, but I certainly did. Generally speaking, you can get federal student loans for both your tuition and your living expenses...and you can spend the living expenses money on anything you want, including alcohol. The money just goes directly to your bank account.

    If you think someone who chooses to not work or will work less hours because it helps them keep their government help is the same as someone that will likely be a Netgain to society, then you don't live in any reality I know.
    This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that these views are often based on negative impressions of poor people and their motives. Both a poor person getting food stamps and a college kid getting federally-subsidized loans have the same goal: To improve their lives. Just as it's hard to get a better-paying job without an education, it's hard to get (or keep) a better-paying job if you don't have enough to eat.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Thing is that an Iphone functions like the poor man's version of the computer.

    It's what they use in the place of a tablet, laptop, or desktop.
    Trust me i know this all to well as for a few months I had to do it when the computer went bust, difference is I wasn't using any of these programs at the same time. The library is a wonderful thing as well.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I can't speak to anyone else's experience, but I certainly did. Generally speaking, you can get federal student loans for both your tuition and your living expenses...and you can spend the living expenses money on anything you want, including alcohol. The money just goes directly to your bank account.

    This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that these views are often based on negative impressions of poor people and their motives. Both a poor person getting food stamps and a college kid getting federally-subsidized loans have the same goal: To improve their lives. Just as it's hard to get a better-paying job without an education, it's hard to get (or keep) a better-paying job if you don't have enough to eat.
    Up until about two years ago I lived in poverty or near it. I speak directly from experience. Just because you imagine these programs are used for their intended purpose all the time doesn't make it true.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Up until about two years ago I lived in poverty or near it. I speak directly from experience. Just because you imagine these programs are used for their intended purpose all the time doesn't make it true.
    I didn't say they always are. But it's rather judgmental to say that people on food stamps should lose their assistance if they're able to afford beer, and not say the same thing about college kids. Most poor people are just trying to make ends meet, not abuse the system. At least not any moreso than my friends and me buying beer in college was an abuse of the system. In fact, I would venture to guess that the average college kid probably drinks a lot more beer than the average food stamp recipient.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Trust me i know this all to well as for a few months I had to do it when the computer went bust, difference is I wasn't using any of these programs at the same time. The library is a wonderful thing as well.
    Fair enough. However, while an iPhone may not be the most responsible choice in terms of saving up capital (as opposed to libraries which are free), with a family plan it is the easiest way to ensure everyone in the household has consistent Internet access.

    Aside from the quality of life issue of providing entertainment and joy, in the Information Age, consistent Internet access can be a considerable economic advantage.

    It's not too much to say that some families may have gotten ahead on their iPhones, used properly.

    That being the case, I'm not convinced having a couple of Iphones in and of itself qualities as an abuse of the system.

    Having iPhones and desktops at the same time might be.
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