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Thread: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't see the one in red as being the same as the others. The Section 8 landlord is merely providing a service/product and the government is the customer. That's all. By this rationale, the company who sells the government photo copy paper would be classified the same way. Sometimes people, in this case Jon Stewart, over-think these things.
    Yes, to an extent I can see your point but they benefit and even survive thanks to Uncle Sam's willingness to pay the rent their tenants could not otherwise afford. Those who can afford to pay the rent would chose to live in other communities. Unlike the copier example, there is no other realistic "market" for housing section 8 landlords except for the government.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I had a relative in section 8 housing. I was there many times. It had a 'manager' in a downstairs apartment that was almost normal. All the other residents were not normal. The few that were closer to normal took some care of the others. The residents didn't have the capacity to do much of anything consistently and or acceptably; and, not due to the lack of desire. Some would spend all the money and vouchers they would get immediately. My relative managed the money for some others so they could get through the month; but, he would also sometimes need to be rescued finically. What some are essentially arguing in this thread is that we would be better off if these people didn't survive. They are correct in as much as we'd be better off financially.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    What some are essentially arguing in this thread is that we would be better off if these people didn't survive.
    No argument here.

    If someone wants to be irresponsible financially, do so with their money.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I had a relative in section 8 housing. I was there many times. It had a 'manager' in a downstairs apartment that was almost normal. All the other residents were not normal. The few that were closer to normal took some care of the others. The residents didn't have the capacity to do much of anything consistently and or acceptably; and, not due to the lack of desire. Some would spend all the money and vouchers they would get immediately. My relative managed the money for some others so they could get through the month; but, he would also sometimes need to be rescued finically. What some are essentially arguing in this thread is that we would be better off if these people didn't survive. They are correct in as much as we'd be better off financially.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No argument here.

    If someone wants to be irresponsible financially, do so with their money.
    I sorry, but you are incorrect. There is no desire to be irresponsible financially. Rather there is no capacity to be responsible in these people. Have you visited them? Have you had conversations with them on various occasions? Have you taken classes like Child Growth and Development, Phycology I & II, Sociology, etc.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then
    I sorry, but you are incorrect. There is no desire to be irresponsible financially. Rather there is no capacity to be responsible in these people.
    No capacity? Are you serious?

    Then I guess we fail as a nation for not teaching the average American the simplest of math. Damn, if you can balance a checkbook, you can set aside some sort of rudimentary budget.

    Have you visited them? Have you had conversations with them on various occasions? Have you taken classes like Child Growth and Development, Phycology I & II, Sociology, etc.
    I've taken psychology, and at no point in the class did I learn that most human beings are born with a complete ineptitude toward counting and common sense.

    I refuse to accept the concept of babying these people. It's absurd, disgusting, and morally repugnant. Where I come from, you chop off a gangrenous limb so it doesn't kill the entire body.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I would never begrudge any man a drink, especially if suffering under hard times.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I wish you could see the $513 check we get each month for our rent, bills,3 childrens needs and then $789 in foodstamps. There is no discounted rent etc. Section 8 is closed so wd manage by getting a little cup and sitting on the Vegas strip to suoplement our income. Other than selling drugs or prostituting I don't see how anyone can live on this. I think people generalize too much. I'm a college graduate that speaks 3 languages and I can't find a decent job to save my life.Letting people just die is cruel because thats what it would come to for millions.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty.
    No it isn't, it's to prevent them from feeling the effects of living in poverty. Food stamps and welfare money do not, in any way, shape or form, help anyone to actually get out of poverty. Jobs, education and responsibility do that.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Absolutely not, very few things tick me off more than some dumbass with an iPhone in an SUV picking up prescriptions covered under Medicaid. We should not subsidize poor financial planning.
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