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Thread: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I voted no. I also think that someone at the age of 19 who moves out of their parents house to go out on their own with two other roommates should not do so unless they can fully be "on your own". Wy do I say this? Because my DDs two roommates applied and received food stamps. They tried to talk my DD into it and I went off! This was a few months ago and now all three of them are living back home.

    What made me soooo mad about this is that the two roommates were also giving cash money to someone for beer and cigarettes. This was wrong on many levels including underage drinking and such, but especially taking advantage of our government programs that are available for the NEEDY, not so that you can move out of your parents house to party.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    I think the idea of entitlements is a poor one. Communities should be helping their poor when they can not the federal government. People are not, or should be be entitled to anything. If you cannot feed yourself you are not entitled to food. You should not demand food. You should not complain about what is given to you.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
    I wonder if the people who agree with this sentiment would feel the same way if the "entitlements" we were talking about were things that middle-class people often used as well: Federal student loans, social security, etc. If a college kid can afford alcohol, should he be getting government assistance?

    I think people are a lot more judgmental in the case of entitlements associated with poverty, because what it really boils down to is some rather negative (and generally false) assumptions about poor people.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Welfare should be offered in the same manner foriegn aid should be offered. Not in the form of cash but in the form of goods and services.
    How coupons to use at the store? Oh that's almost the same as cash. Then, instead of a check in the mail, then going to Meijers a couple miles away, you go 20 miles to the government store down town and cash in your coupons. Nope, I'm wrong; there is not enough space downtown for such a store. So, I guess you'd build one. Then the government would have to stock it. Then the government would need a bunch of employees to run the store, purchasing agents to order the goods to stock it. Oh, wow, this is looking for an opportunity to have a much larger government. Hum, you've got such an easy neat answer. If I just don't think too much, I like it. Oh, but my name is OhIsee.Then.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
    I like what Jon Stewart said in his debate with Bill O'Reilly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxNgFvv-_ps

    I say good idea as long as its fairly enforced.

    -Section 8 LANDLORDS who live on government assistance, essentially
    -Corporate execs who got bail out money until its repaid with interest
    -Business owners who get FEMA assistance after a weather disaster because they didn't have appropriate insurance
    -Oil execs who get oil subsidies
    -Bottled water companies who set up shop in cities that do not meter water then resell it by the bottle benefiting from a natural resource intended to be an individual use service
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    How coupons to use at the store? Oh that's almost the same as cash. Then, instead of a check in the mail, then going to Meijers a couple miles away, you go 20 miles to the government store down town and cash in your coupons. Nope, I'm wrong; there is not enough space downtown for such a store. So, I guess you'd build one. Then the government would have to stock it. Then the government would need a bunch of employees to run the store, purchasing agents to order the goods to stock it. Oh, wow, this is looking for an opportunity to have a much larger government. Hum, you've got such an easy neat answer. If I just don't think too much, I like it. Oh, but my name is OhIsee.Then.
    Apparently you dont see much. WIC already works on the same theory...you take your vouchers and buy food items specifically on a list. Utilities could be directly paid as could any other direct needs service. No cash cards, no discretionary cash. No cash at ATMs. No cash at strip clubs.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

    I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
    No it isn't.

    These programs are intended to supplement savings, etc. in order to keep a person afloat during a temporary time of difficulty. Unfortunately they're now becoming an alternative to working as they seem to cover every luxury known to man with no end. A person shouldn't be "entitled" to steak, lobster, and cell phones just because they were born.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I like what Jon Stewart said in his debate with Bill O'Reilly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxNgFvv-_ps

    I say good idea as long as its fairly enforced.

    -Section 8 LANDLORDS who live on government assistance, essentially
    -Corporate execs who got bail out money until its repaid with interest
    -Business owners who get FEMA assistance after a weather disaster because they didn't have appropriate insurance
    -Oil execs who get oil subsidies
    -Bottled water companies who set up shop in cities that do not meter water then resell it by the bottle benefiting from a natural resource intended to be an individual use service
    I don't see the one in red as being the same as the others. The Section 8 landlord is merely providing a service/product and the government is the customer. That's all. By this rationale, the company who sells the government photo copy paper would be classified the same way. Sometimes people, in this case Jon Stewart, over-think these things.
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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    You pay in, you get out. Whatever you spend it on is no one's business but your own.

    Public assistance is different; but there are loads of caveats on that stuff already anyway, and they hardly work.

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    Re: If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti
    I think the idea of entitlements is a poor one. Communities should be helping their poor when they can not the federal government. People are not, or should be be entitled to anything. If you cannot feed yourself you are not entitled to food. You should not demand food. You should not complain about what is given to you.
    Please post more. Please.

    Although I cannot argue with completely eliminating these types of social programs, I can argue with a complete overhaul that includes eliminating the vast majority of it.

    Part of this I blame on what Bush really perpetuated - the "American Dream". Somewhere along the way, people were brainwashed into thinking that the "dream" is a "right". If you cannot make it on your own, you should be given the absolute bare essentials. If you waste your money on cigarettes and booze to the point where you wake up in a ditch, so be it. Money should also be reduced so that, if necessary, they can be given the basics to live when someone else needs to help. If that means some lazy, uneducated, inept 40 year olds have to move back in with mommy because they're leeching pieces of sh*t in society, I'm fine with that. Let your mom step in and make it her problem instead of mine. Perhaps some extensive ridicule and mockery can make you stand up for yourself and actually do something.

    Welfare should be a token, nothing more. A band-aid on a bullet wound. It shouldn't allow you to maintain a lifestyle.

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