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Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

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spud_meister said:
And the fact that they're illegal means there's Sharia Law, or does the meaning of the second word escape you.
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Spud you spoke to me!!!!!!!!!! wow...i mustve hit a nerve or you must have misread who posted it...lol....
Honor killings are based many times on sharia law...and that comes out of the fathers and brothers mouths...not mine. People in denial over the violence of the muslim religion have no influence on what I believe...I have two eyes and ears and I read and pay attention...
Just like there were violent murderous christians who were EVIL during the crusades...there are muslims that are just like that right now and I dont want to be around them....sorry if that offends
 
lpast said:
Spud you spoke to me!!!!!!!!!! wow...i mustve hit a nerve or you must have misread who posted it...lol....
Honor killings are based many times on sharia law...and that comes out of the fathers and brothers mouths...not mine. People in denial over the violence of the muslim religion have no influence on what I believe...I have two eyes and ears and I read and pay attention...
Just like there were violent murderous christians who were EVIL during the crusades...there are muslims that are just like that right now and I dont want to be around them....sorry if that offends
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You'll find that most honour killings are not carried out in accordance with Sharia Law though, which requires judges, certain numbers of reliable witnesses, and that sort of stuff before you can cut someone's head off. Reading up on it, do be killed for fornication, you need imams, a formal court procedure and 4 witnesses to the act, circumstantial evidence is not permissible. I agree that there are evil Muslims, it's the premise that Sharia Law is a threat that is ridiculous.

Not to mention Sharia Law covers more than just application of justice, to ban it means to force Muslims to eat pork, dress like sluts, and not go to Mecca. :lol:
 
spud_meister said:
You'll find that most honour killings are not carried out in accordance with Sharia Law though, which requires judges, certain numbers of reliable witnesses, and that sort of stuff before you can cut someone's head off. Reading up on it, do be killed for fornication, you need imams, a formal court procedure and 4 witnesses to the act, circumstantial evidence is not permissible. I agree that there are evil Muslims, it's the premise that Sharia Law is a threat that is ridiculous.

Not to mention Sharia Law covers more than just application of justice, to ban it means to force Muslims to eat pork, dress like sluts, and not go to Mecca. :lol:
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I dont dispute what you say spud...but when I can determine who is a good guy and who isnt...then ill take what you say under advisement...but I think its kind of naive to believe there isnt more Muhammed Otta types running around the USA and alot of people didnt realize he wanted to kill thousands of americans....until he did....which then of course was way to late...Im about prevention
 
spud_meister said:
You'll find that most honour killings are not carried out in accordance with Sharia Law though, which requires judges, certain numbers of reliable witnesses, and that sort of stuff before you can cut someone's head off. Reading up on it, do be killed for fornication, you need imams, a formal court procedure and 4 witnesses to the act, circumstantial evidence is not permissible. I agree that there are evil Muslims, it's the premise that Sharia Law is a threat that is ridiculous.

Not to mention Sharia Law covers more than just application of justice, to ban it means to force Muslims to eat pork, dress like sluts, and not go to Mecca. :lol:
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I have a question for you spud...actually a couple that I really need to understand...why is it that its always the imams and ayotollahs the religious leaders that lead the charge to violence and murder ? I dont understand how it can be a peaceful religion when the leaders are leading the murder and mayhem many times. Please tell me how to tell the difference between a good ayatollah and a bad one...is it the shape of their beard ?
How do I explain to me...how there are american born muslims that want to kill me...like these fellas....and how about Farrakhan our own homegrown american muslim leader of the Nation of Islam.....

Anwar al-Aulaqi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Siraj Wahhaj - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
In American we call these honor killings MURDER. I am not sure what cops, crusades and deaf ears is about...
lpast said:
If you dont think sharia law exists in the united states...then you need to just take a look at all the honor killings in the USA which are on the rise.
For some reason, some people always want to live in a lalaland where everything and everyone is all good....sorry ask any experienced cop if there is such a think as evil and yes evil is promoted by groups and group involvement....like sharia law...like the mafia...like any other group and its codes.
What shakes my boots is the people that can talk about how violent Christianity is and point to the crusades and then can try to shove down my throat that the Muslim religions is all good and pure and that im some kind of bigot for not liking it or wanting to be around it...and they want me to put blinders on to all the VIOLENCE that comes out of it...please stop wasting your time...it falls on my deaf ears
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mak2 said:
In American we call these honor killings MURDER. I am not sure what cops, crusades and deaf ears is about...
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I dont care what you want to call it....theres many different reasons for murder....passion, defense, hatred, racism...sharia law-honor killings...what you want to label them doesnt change what they are.
 
Jonsa said:
oh so you advocate suspension of the constitution. Throw free speech into the trash can. Ignore the right of assembly. Invade a citizens privacy.
Oh yes all in the name of routing out a phantom menace.

did you happen to study the constitution? the declaration of indendence? Only a fascist would consider suspension of the those founding documents in order to protect those founding documents.

Please respond when you have learned the meanings of the words irony and hypocracy.
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Never have I suggested suspension of the Constitution. How can I expect an intelligent discussion with a poster who is unable to accurately process indormation?

The same faulty thought processes lead you to believe Islamism and stealth Jihad are "phantom menaces"

You will be no help in defending this country or the constitution you hope to convince us you love if you can't read and correctly interpret what you read.

Google stealth jihad and then realize that Turkey has taken steps to regulate Islam. And then look at what
steps Egypt took to outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood and find out why they did what they did.

And if you are really a student of Democracy, read about what happened in Algeria when the voters elected Islamists into the presidency thinking they could appease fundamentalist factions and also enjoy democracy.
 
What they arent is creeping sharia. They are murder. Get it?
lpast said:
I dont care what you want to call it....theres many different reasons for murder....passion, defense, hatred, racism...sharia law-honor killings...what you want to label them doesnt change what they are.
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mak2 said:
What they arent is creeping sharia. They are murder. Get it?
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Look I dont believe sharia law is going to take over the usa...but I do believe it has a part in some crimes in the usa and is the mentality of some in the usa...and your not going to change my mind trying to throw one line zingers at me lol
 
It is not one line zingers, think logically, you just said yourself you believe sharia has a part in some CRIMES in the USA. Creeping Sharia is just a scary concept to keep the RWers scared. LOL.
lpast said:
Look I dont believe sharia law is going to take over the usa...but I do believe it has a part in some crimes in the usa and is the mentality of some in the usa...and your not going to change my mind trying to throw one line zingers at me lol
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We had hearings on this issue here in Michigan before a House committee. It was brought out that Sharia Law can be used to decide any issue that two consenting adults enter into a contract with as long as they decide in advance that will be the case. One lawyer pointed out that you could use the Starfleet Manual to decide issues of law as long as there was a contract between the parties agreeing in advance that it be so.

As to making Sharia Law binding on everyone as the legal standard for any state - its not going to happen.
 
mak2 said:
It is not one line zingers, think logically, you just said yourself you believe sharia has a part in some CRIMES in the USA. Creeping Sharia is just a scary concept to keep the RWers scared. LOL.
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Im not a right winger and I didnt say I believe sharia law was going to take over the USa nor do I fear that...but I dont share the defend muslim thing at all costs mentality because I dont feel its deserved
 
Verthaine said:
Judges striking down discrimination freak you out?

Maybe if the ban said "any religious law" YOU MAY HAVE HAD A POINT.

This is not quite the same as Oklahoma passing Sharia .
Cute attempt at further fearmongering on your part though.
Do not pass go,do not collect 200 dollars.
And while you are at it,care to answer some of the questions I've been asking you and you've been ducking?
Like the one I asked on Post 223 amongst others?
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By banning political Islam in America and by preventing the election of a Muslim POTUS. In answer to your questions from #223.

Why do you persist in asking me these questions? I'm not your Messiah. I'm your messenger. And speaking of Messiah, were you as insistent in trying to find out the truths in Obama's secretive past before you voted?

See, what I'm getting at here is that I believe you might be a poster who voted for Obama and were persuaded to do so on the basis of his skin color.
 
Proud South Korean said:
The panty waving and howling of the alarmist just makes everybody else laugh, remember that.
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You have a full plate already with Kim Song Unh's craziness within a missile trajectory away. So why don't you concern yourself with that and leave the veiled homophobic insults to those who love mixing their gay sex and their politics together, like the Liberal politicians in Washington, D.C.
 
Jonsa said:
marsden said:
now give us a credible evaluation of mccarthy..

You should be aware that being a communist is not a crime in the united states under the constitution and in law. McCarthy didn't give a damn. Please continue to defend the scumbag, it just demonstrates how foolilshly entrenched your warped concepts of freedom and liberty actually are.
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You seem like the kind of poster who might assert that because Communism isn't a crime in the USA that we should encourage it and welcome Communists into the inner workings of our government.

Well, there has been no greater murderer in the 20th Century than Communist governments around the world. And no bigger slave master.

So, while it isn't a crime to be a Commie, I have no love or sympathy for those who idiotically defend the rights of Commies to spread their evil in this country.

You show your true colors and naively think there is some honor in it.

You are wrong, buckwheat.
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When did I defend Muslims? I am just pointing out the RW hysteria (try not to fall into it). If you think I was defending Muslims at all costs because I pointed out the hysteria it might be too late for you. By the way, if a Muslim is an American citizen he has ever single right we (other Americans) do. That is not defending them, it is defending everyone's else's rights too.
lpast said:
Im not a right winger and I didnt say I believe sharia law was going to take over the USa nor do I fear that...but I dont share the defend muslim thing at all costs mentality because I dont feel its deserved
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More RW hysterical mythology. Obama's past is well documented.

marsden said:
By banning political Islam in America and by preventing the election of a Muslim POTUS. In answer to your questions from #223.

Why do you persist in asking me these questions? I'm not your Messiah. I'm your messenger. And speaking of Messiah, were you as insistent in trying to find out the truths in Obama's secretive past before you voted?

See, what I'm getting at here is that I believe you might be a poster who voted for Obama and were persuaded to do so on the basis of his skin color.
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As long as we continue with our underlying values of being an assimilationist, melting pot society with just one rule of law, we should we be fine. The only danger from Sharia comes from societies where the dogma of multiculturalism has created immense double standards as in the U.K., where Sharia is ALREADY being practiced backed by the full weight of British law. These Sharia courts are currently limited to family matters rather than criminal, but as long as the men who brutalize women can threaten women to the point they say they are entering such courts willingly, the British allow them to be treated as chattel. They are discriminated against by very function of Sharia, and the Brits simply look the other way, content to allow them to be denied due process because they are women.
 
If by fanatical Muslims killing infidels in the streets like 7th century barbarians, no.
 
mak2 said:
When did I defend Muslims? I am just pointing out the RW hysteria (try not to fall into it). If you think I was defending Muslims at all costs because I pointed out the hysteria it might be too late for you. By the way, if a Muslim is an American citizen he has ever single right we (other Americans) do. That is not defending them, it is defending everyone's else's rights too.
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Mak read my post again...I did not say YOU were defending them at all costs...I said in general I dont buy into that
 
Oh, ok, I am with you then. I agree I dont think they should be defended at all cost either. In America they should be, and I beleive are, held to the exact same legal system we are. Sometimes I jump to conclusions.
lpast said:
Mak read my post again...I did not say YOU were defending them at all costs...I said in general I dont buy into that
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haymarket said:
We had hearings on this issue here in Michigan before a House committee. It was brought out that Sharia Law can be used to decide any issue that two consenting adults enter into a contract with as long as they decide in advance that will be the case. One lawyer pointed out that you could use the Starfleet Manual to decide issues of law as long as there was a contract between the parties agreeing in advance that it be so.

As to making Sharia Law binding on everyone as the legal standard for any state - its not going to happen.
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If an amendment to the Constitution can't be used to effect Islamic takeover of our government in the distant future, and referendum can't do it, nor Executive Order, nor Supreme Court ruling, then I'd be less worried than I am.

No one, btw, is imagining this happening in at least 100 years, but we in the West (particularly Americans, particularly Liberals) do tend to think in more immediate terms.
 
mak2 said:
More RW hysterical mythology. Obama's past is well documented.
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The fact that you'd think so doesn't speak well of your decision making processes nor the level of qualifications you'd have for the highest office in the land, the most powerful man on earth.

Consider the following and be careful. Reading this might make your head spin.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/ex...eports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/


The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.

A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.
 
Gardener said:
As long as we continue with our underlying values of being an assimilationist, melting pot society with just one rule of law, we should we be fine. The only danger from Sharia comes from societies where the dogma of multiculturalism has created immense double standards as in the U.K., where Sharia is ALREADY being practiced backed by the full weight of British law. These Sharia courts are currently limited to family matters rather than criminal, but as long as men who brutalize women can threaten women to the point they say they are entering such courts willingly, the British allow them to be treated as chattel. They are discriminated against by very function of Sharia, and the Brits simply look the other way, content to allow them to be denied due process because they are women.
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And how did GB get to that point? One seemingly insignificant step at a time.

I don't want that for America.

Look, we are doing, 'just fine' even though we have gang problems here, for example. But, would we be better off without that problem? Yes. Would I take steps to prevent gang banging BEFORE it became # problem in the US if it were possible to time machine back to before ganging took hold here? Yes, I would.

So, would you take steps to prevent that possibility of creeping Islamism in america if you could?
 
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