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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    No offense to the British,but that's their problem,not mine.I don't live in England.
    We seem to do things differently here.
    Ok. So for the purpose of not having a kilometric long post, I cut yours down to size.

    #1. Yes, well. I know it is not your problem and not an american problem. I state in my first post that should be somewhere in the beginning pages that I do not believe sharia to be threat in the USA at all... but it is a real, but small threat in Europe.... or rather, in various European states.

    #2. Yes, not all arabs are muslims and not all muslims are arabic people. However, when immigrants move to a new country, their choice in residency lies with their own people and thus, ghettos naturally form.

    #3. My life is my own and I would like that if I do not open the door to this discussion, you don't enter through it.

    #4. Nobody is saying that all muslims are bad dude. Some are very accomplished in their own rights. But the problem is when they have increasing numbers. When the number of a certain group of immigrants reaches a level between 3-5% there can be noticed the phenomenons we speak of when we discuss the muslims community... which in the UK it reached the 6% margin, and will increase exponentially over the years, causing even more problems if the current trend of islam continues. If Islam doesn't pass through the renaissance phase and the enlightenment phase as Christianity did, it will always be a negative religion for the public life of a society.
    The public life of a society, not the individual life. I am certain that for a great deal of individuals, at an individual level, Islam did people a lot of good. It is when it becomes a political power it f*cks things up.

    Much like any other religion.

    #5. Protecting oneself in Europe is quite different than in the US. Until the arrival of mass, unregulated, unchecked number of immigrants, crime in most European countries was somewhat less. It wasn't innexistent, but it was less. Once the waves of unregulated, unchecked, uncontrolled immigrants came, we have encountered several new types of crimes, that haven't been a thing in Europe for centuries. One of these examples is Honor killings. We didn't have those for a long, long time.... and we didn't miss them, but now that islam is here, we have them back. yippy.

    But the notions of protecting oneself are different in Europe than it is in the US because of how we are allowed. Most European countries, except switzerland, have very restrictive gun laws. In Western Europe, Britain and Germany have the harshest gun laws, even against non-lethal guns... while Eastern European countries top the cake when it comes to insane, pointless regulation that helps nobody when you want to get a gun... even a non-lethal one.

    Moreover, actions for protection need to be taken as an individual, and as a community. Without a community, you can't do much.

    A community can be a group of people, families, from a certain neighborhood to the government... which is not doing its part in defending its citizens.

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Im asking this question because of some of the people I have encountered that want extra laws made banning it and they say they would never vote for ANY Muslim politician because of it.

    SO I ask, do you fear Sharia Law and think its a possibility here in the US.

    I do not.
    Sharia Law is no different from any religious "laws"; the vast majority cover such things as what babies may be named, how food must be prepared and what can be eaten, etc. American Muslims are as free to follow the dictates of their consciences on such matters as any other Americans would be.

    Some provisions of Sharia Law provide for binding arbitration and dictate how that will be carried out. ANY two people, Muslim or not, can enter a contract and agree that if a dispute arises, it will be decided by arbitration.

    Some provisions of Sharia Law dictate matters that are also contemplated by American civil law, especially family law. Muslims are not unique in this regard; Jews and Catholics also have such "shadow laws". As long as they do not conflict with civil law, no problem. So, if an American Catholic who has a civil divorce but not a Catholic annulment wants to behave as if he is not free to remarry, no problem. If an American Jew wants to have his baby's birth celebrated by a Rabbi, even though the hospital where it was born issued a birth certificate, no problem. And if an American Muslim wants to seek the consent of his Iman for the custody arrangements for his minor children during a divorce, most American civil courts will bless that -- as long as the spouse agrees and the arrangement is is in the best interests of the child.

    What the fools who want to outlaw Sharia Law seem to fear is that your Muslim neighbor could murder his teenaged daughter and successfully defend against a homicide charge by claiming "Sharia Law made me do it". That's never going to happen, even assuming that the evils done in the name of Islam are interpreting that dogma correctly. ALL of us are bound by the same body of law; all of us are equal under that law, and none of us will ever have a special right to kill based solely on our religion.

    So, I want mashed potatoes, baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Sharia Law is no different from any religious "laws"; the vast majority cover such things as what babies may be named, how food must be prepared and what can be eaten, etc. American Muslims are as free to follow the dictates of their consciences on such matters as any other Americans would be.

    Some provisions of Sharia Law provide for binding arbitration and dictate how that will be carried out. ANY two people, Muslim or not, can enter a contract and agree that if a dispute arises, it will be decided by arbitration.

    Some provisions of Sharia Law dictate matters that are also contemplated by American civil law, especially family law. Muslims are not unique in this regard; Jews and Catholics also have such "shadow laws". As long as they do not conflict with civil law, no problem. So, if an American Catholic who has a civil divorce but not a Catholic annulment wants to behave as if he is not free to remarry, no problem. If an American Jew wants to have his baby's birth celebrated by a Rabbi, even though the hospital where it was born issued a birth certificate, no problem. And if an American Muslim wants to seek the consent of his Iman for the custody arrangements for his minor children during a divorce, most American civil courts will bless that -- as long as the spouse agrees and the arrangement is is in the best interests of the child.

    What the fools who want to outlaw Sharia Law seem to fear is that your Muslim neighbor could murder his teenaged daughter and successfully defend against a homicide charge by claiming "Sharia Law made me do it". That's never going to happen, even assuming that the evils done in the name of Islam are interpreting that dogma correctly. ALL of us are bound by the same body of law; all of us are equal under that law, and none of us will ever have a special right to kill based solely on our religion.

    So, I want mashed potatoes, baby.
    I agree! its nonsense to think it could be a reality here, at least a legal reality.
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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    This is new, I think.

    I did a thread some time ago on why anti-Sharia laws are unconstitutional in the US:


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-con...l-w-327-a.html

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    I voted for Mashed Potatoes because I know Objective J to really be "Baiting J" and this is just another example of him trying to push for a Muslim president so he can prove how "cultured" he is. I have a better idea, go live in Pakistan and get really "Cultured"!

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Watson View Post
    I voted for Mashed Potatoes because I know Objective J to really be "Baiting J" and this is just another example of him trying to push for a Muslim president so he can prove how "cultured" he is. I have a better idea, go live in Pakistan and get really "Cultured"!
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    I like mashed potatoes with little pieces of bacon in it, smothered in gravy and butter. I'm getting fat just thinking about it, but when done right, totally worth the calories.

    Anyway, sharia law? Hell no. When a mosque was being built near what used to be the World Trade Center, people all over the US burst into a furious outcry of anger. Any time any mosque is being built, it's "omfg sharia is nigh". Anything that's even perceived as an introduction of religion into governance is immediately shot down in flames, so I don't see how sharia law would have any chance in hell outside of a small communal system here and there, which is fine.
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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Watson View Post
    I voted for Mashed Potatoes because I know Objective J to really be "Baiting J" and this is just another example of him trying to push for a Muslim president so he can prove how "cultured" he is. I have a better idea, go live in Pakistan and get really "Cultured"!
    You seem to lack basic reading comprehension skills, David. Mayhaps read the Op again without allowing the words "Muslim", "Islam" or "Sharia Law" to catch your hair on fire, and see if you might not agree?

    Or is American freedom of religion just not an idea you can get behind?

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    No offense to the British,but that's their problem,not mine.I don't live in England.
    We seem to do things differently here.


    Again,not my problem.

    We have a lot of violent gangs of all colors,religions and ethnicities here in the US.
    Prove to me that the majority of gangs here in the US are muslim,and you may have a point.
    I prefer our law enforcements agencies deal with that.



    So?
    I live in the USA.

    May I point out that not all arabs are muslim.
    And if islamic extremism is festering over there,that is still a law enforcement problem.

    But if you had the power to deal with that "festering problem" PLEASE BY ALL MEANS DO TELL HOW YOU WOULD.


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    Last time I checked.I was living in the good ol'e U.S. of A.
    Not Britain, not France,and not Germany.

    The OP here is not "is Islam a threat",but is "Sharia a real possibility in the US".
    And no one has proven that it is.
    So I am really not all that worried about that.

    In the town I live in,there are 4 muslim families.
    A Moroccan and his wife who owns a very nice resturant.
    A astrophysics professor and his family.
    The chief radiologist (from Pakistan) and his family at the hospital my wife works at.(My wife and his go to the nail salon all the time).
    And some guy who owns a string of gas stations.

    The first three I've all met,and they seem like very nice people to me.
    Me,the professorand the Moroccan go fishing together all the time.
    The guy who owns the gas stations puts the "flame" in "flaming gay".
    So I really don't think he's an Islamic extremist.

    So what exactly do people like you want from people like me,huh Rainman05?

    On post #346 I already stated:



    So what more do you want?
    I already have a C&C permit.
    I have a number of legal guns and ammunition stockpiled.
    I go to the gunrange every week.
    I have a state of the art security system at home.
    Me and the Missus have our "bug-out bags" and a number of escape routes.
    Again I ask,what more do you want?

    Like I said in the quote,there are wingnuts wanting to kill us all over the place.
    I can't waste time worrying about some muslims in Europe when some lunatic with a internet ordered arsenal can walk into the supermarket me and my wife shops at or a movie theater we are in and open fire.
    I can walk 5 blocks past my restaurant and end up being shot by some gangbanger who mistakes me for someone else.

    If you and anyone else on this forum feel that Islam is a threat,then you need to do what you need to do to protect yourselves (within legal limits).
    I have always been a firm supporter of the right to defend one's self,one's freedom,one's family,and one's property.
    If you perceive Islam as a threat,then that is your right to do so.
    You do what you need to do to protect yourselves,your loved ones, your rights and your property.I wouldn't dream of trying to stop you.
    Nor will I question why you feel they are a threat.
    You have the right to perceive a threat and protect yourselves from it.

    And so do I.
    I have a right to perceive threats and protect myself,my wife,my children and grandchildren by any legal means necessary.
    If you see Islam as a threat,and that well may be.
    I've asked repeatedly for someone to give men evidence that Islam is about to attack ME and no one has.
    So Islam to me is some far away distant threat.I'll keep a watch out just in case it gets closer to me and my family.,
    And we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

    But from some of the things people like you, Mardsen, and other have been posting on this thread,I'm beginning to wonder if people like you and a few others aren't becoming a more immediate and closer threat to me and my family's well being and freedom.

    Some of you seem to have no problem disregarding our Constitution and Laws in your quest to protect yourselves from Islam.
    I will do whatever it takes to protect myself and my family from the fear mongers,the hatemongers,and the petty wannabe tyrants on this forum and in the world in general.
    You have your boogyman,and I have mine.

    You say you abhor genocide and such notions,but why should I believe you?
    I don't know you from Adam.
    I don't know if you have plans for getting into power,enacting laws that prevent ALL muslims from immigrating here.
    I don't know if you have plans of getting into power,and tossing all Muslims (and those of us who protest that) into concentration camps.
    For all I know,you could be cutting the power to my security system as I write this,breaking into my window,and climbing upstairs with the intent of killing me and raping my wife.
    There was a series of break-ins in my neighborhood not that long ago.
    That is a more immediate threat to me than Islam is.
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