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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    When did I defend Muslims? I am just pointing out the RW hysteria (try not to fall into it). If you think I was defending Muslims at all costs because I pointed out the hysteria it might be too late for you. By the way, if a Muslim is an American citizen he has ever single right we (other Americans) do. That is not defending them, it is defending everyone's else's rights too.
    Mak read my post again...I did not say YOU were defending them at all costs...I said in general I dont buy into that

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    Oh, ok, I am with you then. I agree I dont think they should be defended at all cost either. In America they should be, and I beleive are, held to the exact same legal system we are. Sometimes I jump to conclusions.
    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Mak read my post again...I did not say YOU were defending them at all costs...I said in general I dont buy into that
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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We had hearings on this issue here in Michigan before a House committee. It was brought out that Sharia Law can be used to decide any issue that two consenting adults enter into a contract with as long as they decide in advance that will be the case. One lawyer pointed out that you could use the Starfleet Manual to decide issues of law as long as there was a contract between the parties agreeing in advance that it be so.

    As to making Sharia Law binding on everyone as the legal standard for any state - its not going to happen.
    If an amendment to the Constitution can't be used to effect Islamic takeover of our government in the distant future, and referendum can't do it, nor Executive Order, nor Supreme Court ruling, then I'd be less worried than I am.

    No one, btw, is imagining this happening in at least 100 years, but we in the West (particularly Americans, particularly Liberals) do tend to think in more immediate terms.

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    More RW hysterical mythology. Obama's past is well documented.
    The fact that you'd think so doesn't speak well of your decision making processes nor the level of qualifications you'd have for the highest office in the land, the most powerful man on earth.

    Consider the following and be careful. Reading this might make your head spin.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/exc...ama-continues/


    The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.

    A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?

    The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    As long as we continue with our underlying values of being an assimilationist, melting pot society with just one rule of law, we should we be fine. The only danger from Sharia comes from societies where the dogma of multiculturalism has created immense double standards as in the U.K., where Sharia is ALREADY being practiced backed by the full weight of British law. These Sharia courts are currently limited to family matters rather than criminal, but as long as men who brutalize women can threaten women to the point they say they are entering such courts willingly, the British allow them to be treated as chattel. They are discriminated against by very function of Sharia, and the Brits simply look the other way, content to allow them to be denied due process because they are women.
    And how did GB get to that point? One seemingly insignificant step at a time.

    I don't want that for America.

    Look, we are doing, 'just fine' even though we have gang problems here, for example. But, would we be better off without that problem? Yes. Would I take steps to prevent gang banging BEFORE it became # problem in the US if it were possible to time machine back to before ganging took hold here? Yes, I would.

    So, would you take steps to prevent that possibility of creeping Islamism in america if you could?

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    By banning political Islam in America and by preventing the election of a Muslim POTUS. In answer to your questions from #223.
    Now we are getting to see the REAL Mardsen.The petty would be tyrant.What's next? Banning an Atheist from becoming POTUS?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Why do you persist in asking me these questions?
    Because that's what I do.I like exposing wannabe tyrants.
    Might as well get as much of that done before someone like you gets into power and makes asking questions illegal.
    You already shown what you really think of the Constitution.


    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    I'm not your Messiah.
    Thank CROM for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    I'm your messenger.
    Sort of like Muhammed?
    Or one of those dirty hippies on bikes?
    So you are my messenger, huh?
    Well, here is a message I want you to take back to whoever sent you:
    "Stop sending wingnuts as messengers".

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    And speaking of Messiah, were you as insistent in trying to find out the truths in Obama's secretive past before you voted?

    See, what I'm getting at here is that I believe you might be a poster who voted for Obama and were persuaded to do so on the basis of his skin color.
    Damn,you are dumber than I thought.
    I was in Paris at the time of the 2008 election studying French Cuisine at Le Cordon Bleu.
    I didn't vote that year.
    But my wife voted for John McCain.
    If it's any consolation,I did vote for a dark skin guy in 2007 and 2011.
    I voted for Bobby Jindal twice for Louisiana Governor.
    Last time I checked,he was a Republican.

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    It has always cracked me up how big constitutionalists they are until it applies to "others'"
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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Never have I suggested suspension of the Constitution. How can I expect an intelligent discussion with a poster who is unable to accurately process indormation?

    The same faulty thought processes lead you to believe Islamism and stealth Jihad are "phantom menaces"

    You will be no help in defending this country or the constitution you hope to convince us you love if you can't read and correctly interpret what you read.

    Google stealth jihad and then realize that Turkey has taken steps to regulate Islam. And then look at what
    steps Egypt took to outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood and find out why they did what they did.

    And if you are really a student of Democracy, read about what happened in Algeria when the voters elected Islamists into the presidency thinking they could appease fundamentalist factions and also enjoy democracy.
    excuse me, you were the one that suggested limitation of the rights of Muslims in america. That is trashing the constitution, regardless of your paranoid rationale.


    Honor killings are not part of sharia law. Honor killings are extra judicial. Under sharia, after a trial a spouse may be condemned for adultery. Sentencing for "honor killings" under sharia law are all over the map, but generally it is slap on the wrist stuff. Crimes of passion used to be recognized in many european countries, and while classified as murder now, sentencing is generally less that other types of murder.

    You are aware that not all muslim nations are under sharia law aren't you? Islamic law is a combination of sharia and english common law.

    Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "Spectrum of Muslim legal systemsThe legal systems in 21st century Muslim-majority states can be classified as follows:

    Sharia in the secular Muslim states: Muslim countries such as Mali, Kazakhstan, and Turkey have declared themselves to be secular, meaning religious interference in state affairs, law, and politics is prohibited. In short, sharia is limited to personal and family matters.[44]
    The Nigerian legal system is based on the English common law and the constitution guarantees freedom of religion and separation of church and state, though 11 northern states have adopted sharia for those who practice Islam.[45]
    Malaysia's legal system is also based on the English common law, and so sharia law is only applicable to Muslims and is restricted to family law and religious observances. Although the Malaysian Constitution declares Islam the "official religion" with ceremonial rulers as head of Islam in their respective states, other religions may be freely practiced (albeit with restrictions on proselytizing to Muslims).
    Muslim states with blended sources of law: Muslim countries including Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Sudan, and Morocco have legal systems strongly influenced by sharia, but also cede ultimate authority to their constitutions and the rule of law. These countries conduct democratic elections, although some are also under the influence of authoritarian leaders. In these countries, politicians and jurists make law, rather than religious scholars. Most of these countries have modernized their laws and now have legal systems with significant differences when compared to classical sharia.[46]
    Muslim states using classical sharia: Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states do not have constitutions or legislatures. Their rulers have limited authority to change laws, since they are based on sharia as it is interpreted by their religious scholars. Iran shares some of these characteristics, but also has a parliament that legislates in a manner consistent with sharia.[47
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    Of course Islamists are not stealthy, nor is their warped perspective of jihad. Are they a threat to teh american way of life. Hardly. are they a threat to occasionally murder americans absolutely - I do believe bush declared war on terrorism - which was stupid to declare war on a tactic of non state actors, but thats another story, and Obama has modified that to prosecute a war on specific terrorist groups, which I might add he's been pretty effective at.

    What Islamist have or haven't done in muslim countries, is not applicable to american muslims.

    FYI =the brotherhood was outlawed for many years, until they renounced violence and took up "political" arms. They certainly haven't been a terrorist group in Egypt for quite some time.

    Hamas is designated a terrorist group solely for their violent acts of resistance against the Israeli occupation. they have never launched an attack on non Israeli interests or Israeli interests for that matter outside the territories and Israel proper. Look it up some time.

    the fiasco in Algeria was devastating, but in the end, democracy won out that and of course an amnestry program.
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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

    [QUOTE=marsden;1061044637]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post

    According to this source EVERY SINGLE PERSON McCarthy outed was guilty.


    In May 1957, after the death of Sen. Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover told former State Department official Harris Houston, widely known among intelligence agents as the leading expert on Communist infiltration of the federal government, that it would be another 50 years before the American people appreciated what Joe McCarthy had done for them.

    Well those 50 years have passed, and if Stan Evans, an old fellow Cold War warrior and friend, has anything to say about it, the real story of Joseph Raymond McCarthy and what he did for his nation will finally be known.

    In his new book "Blacklisted by History, The Untold Story of Senator Joseph McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies," M. Stanton Evans provides a meticulously documented examination of Joe's attempts to alert the American people to the extent of Communist infiltration of the federal government and other American institutions.

    Case by case, Evans reveals the unimpeachable evidence that all of the so-called victims of McCarthy's crusade against Communist subversion — every single one of them — really were Communists and agents of a hostile foreign power: the Soviet Union. Evan's long decades of dogged research should at last put at rest the vicious slanders that plagued Joe McCarthy in his Senate career and followed him into the grave.

    McCarthy Vindicated at Last
    Newsmax? Seriously? Please keep your political porn to yourself.

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    Re: Do think Sharia Law is a REAL possiblity in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post

    Newsmax? Seriously? Please keep your political porn to yourself.
    man, you couldnt have edited so it doesnt look like I posted that nonsense?
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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