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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not!
    Romney comes across as a lot smarter than Bush. He is certainly more articulate, at least. He has a history of being able to make money, and of personal generosity. He gave away his inheritance (not that he needed it anyway) and gives more to charity than he has to pay in taxes. He has a history of putting financially failing entities back into the black, which is something sorely needed just now.
    Maybe it's just me, but I don't think being a better orator makes someone "come across as a lot smarter". Last I checked, Dubya is the only president to ever graduate from two Ivy League schools. People that think he's stupid solely for factors like a southern/Texas accent and not being a poignant speaker are really ignorant. Bush was just as successful of a businessman as Romney was, so I think they're both good in that aspect.

    Romney also has a history of being able to work with the opposing party, which is another thing that is sorely needed and that Obama lacks.
    That one wasn't Bush's fault. For all the crap about Republicans being the "party of no" this term, the Big Tenters were stalwart in trying to marginalize Bush and any ability of his to finalize law. Therefore, I can't say for certainty that he was adamant against working along both aisles.

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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Maybe it's just me, but I don't think being a better orator makes someone "come across as a lot smarter". Last I checked, Dubya is the only president to ever graduate from two Ivy League schools. People that think he's stupid solely for factors like a southern/Texas accent and not being a poignant speaker are really ignorant. Bush was just as successful of a businessman as Romney was, so I think they're both good in that aspect.
    I'm not sure, but I believe his southern Texas accent was more of an affectation than anything. He was a Yankee ivy leaguer in reality. As for not being a good speaker, that does come across as being less intelligent.

    You'd have thought he'd at least have learned to pronounce "nuclear" in his eight years with his finger on the trigger, but that may have been an affectation as well.

    Or, maybe I'm wrong and he's a smarter guy than I give him credit for. It's really his starting two wars and financing them on the national MasterCard that ticked me off more than his inability to speak clearly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That one wasn't Bush's fault. For all the crap about Republicans being the "party of no" this term, the Big Tenters were stalwart in trying to marginalize Bush and any ability of his to finalize law. Therefore, I can't say for certainty that he was adamant against working along both aisles.
    Actually, the comment about working across the aisle was more directed at Obama than Bush.

    But, neither one has a great record in that area. Maybe it's just gotten to the point than no one is going to be able to get any sort of bipartisan agreement. If that's the case, then we're really screwed.

    but, if anyone is going to be able to work with the opposing party, I'd bet on the former Republican governor of a Democratic state.
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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not!
    I'm not sure, but I believe his southern Texas accent was more of an affectation than anything. He was a Yankee ivy leaguer in reality. As for not being a good speaker, that does come across as being less intelligent.
    To an extent, I'll cede that. I don't know if I'd use it as a major criterion, however. But hey - that's just me.

    Or, maybe I'm wrong and he's a smarter guy than I give him credit for. It's really his starting two wars and financing them on the national MasterCard that ticked me off more than his inability to speak clearly.
    Yeah, the Iraqi war isn't exactly his bright point. Most people believe that he just caved to pressure to live up to daddy's war which, in my mind, actually was justifiable. Invading a major world capital to coup a leader that was fiercely secular and had no real ties to radical Muslims was a real black smudge.

    Actually, the comment about working across the aisle was more directed at Obama than Bush.
    Ah, my bad. That's a fair assessment, although in Obama's case I can really understand why Congressional Republicans tried to do all they could to stop him.

    Mostly it comes off as him acting butthurt that he doesn't have his supermajority these days.

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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Romney…has a history of being able to make money…. … He has a history of putting financially failing entities back into the black, which is something sorely needed just now.

    Romney also has a history of being able to work with the opposing party, which is another thing that is sorely needed and that Obama lacks.

    But, when it comes to political ideology, Obama is not a lot different from Bush, and Romney is not a lot different from Obama. Once the dust settles, the election is over, and life goes on, I don't expect any major changes as a result of this election.
    It seems that you are contradicting yourself here.

    Certainly, the nation's biggest and most compelling problem at this time is economic. What could make a bigger difference, at this time, than that of having a President who, in your words, “…has a history of being able to make money…”, who “…has a history of putting financially failing entities back into the black…”, and who “…has a history of being able to work with the opposing party…”, as opposed to a President who has utterly failed in these areas?
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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It seems that you are contradicting yourself here.

    Certainly, the nation's biggest and most compelling problem at this time is economic. What could make a bigger difference, at this time, than that of having a President who, in your words, “…has a history of being able to make money…”, who “…has a history of putting financially failing entities back into the black…”, and who “…has a history of being able to work with the opposing party…”, as opposed to a President who has utterly failed in these areas?
    Oh, I hope you're right.

    You just have more confidence in the president's (any president) ability to solve problems than I do.

    With a dysfunctional Congress, getting this nation back on track is going to be a tall order.
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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I hope you're right.

    You just have more confidence in the president's (any president) ability to solve problems than I do.

    With a dysfunctional Congress, getting this nation back on track is going to be a tall order.
    I would have to say that that is where “…has a history of being able to work with the opposing party…” comes in.
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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Maybe it's just me, but I don't think being a better orator makes someone "come across as a lot smarter". Last I checked, Dubya is the only president to ever graduate from two Ivy League schools. People that think he's stupid solely for factors like a southern/Texas accent and not being a poignant speaker are really ignorant. Bush was just as successful of a businessman as Romney was, so I think they're both good in that aspect.



    That one wasn't Bush's fault. For all the crap about Republicans being the "party of no" this term, the Big Tenters were stalwart in trying to marginalize Bush and any ability of his to finalize law. Therefore, I can't say for certainty that he was adamant against working along both aisles.
    Obama graduated from two Ivy Schools-Columbia and Harvard Law. But I don't think Obama is any smarter than W and is certainly not as smart as GHWB, Clinton, Nixon, or Romney

    here are many different forms of intelligence. I knew chess grandmasters who were almost incoherent in public speaking exercises.

    and I knew three Rhodes Scholars whose ability to get a date was almost non existent and two of the three were women I'd rate very pretty.

    Bush's ability to understand people and get along with them was genius according to former Clinton lawyer Lanny Davis

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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Obama graduated from two Ivy Schools-Columbia and Harvard Law. But I don't think Obama is any smarter than W and is certainly not as smart as GHWB, Clinton, Nixon, or Romney

    here are many different forms of intelligence. I knew chess grandmasters who were almost incoherent in public speaking exercises.

    and I knew three Rhodes Scholars whose ability to get a date was almost non existent and two of the three were women I'd rate very pretty.

    Bush's ability to understand people and get along with them was genius according to former Clinton lawyer Lanny Davis
    I don't think you are in a position to actually assess intelligence. Certainly your opinion is a tad biased considering your visceral hatred and far right ideology. Bushie obviously had people talents and his good ol boy act played well with a lot of people. If it wasn't for Chaney's arm stuck up his ass, he might have actually done some good. As it stands he presided over the biggest clusterf**k in recent memory.
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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    There's a saying that a man's intelligence is measured by the degree to which he agrees with you.

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    Re: What has happened to Obama's campaign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    I don't think you are in a position to actually assess intelligence. Certainly your opinion is a tad biased considering your visceral hatred and far right ideology. Bushie obviously had people talents and his good ol boy act played well with a lot of people. If it wasn't for Chaney's arm stuck up his ass, he might have actually done some good. As it stands he presided over the biggest clusterf**k in recent memory.

    the only reason why you call me far right is because you are far left. I went to the same college BUsh did People i know well worked for Bush including some of his top attorneys. People who clerked for the Supreme court

    they said he was very bright. I think I am in a far better position than you are to assess his intelligence.

    Chaney-LOL and you are talking about intelligence

    Carter and Obama were the clusterFk presidencies

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