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Thread: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

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    Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    I always believed there should be a path to citizenship for illegals, but I think what Democrats was proposing made it too easy. Making it too easy will encourage more illegal immigration. Finishing 2 years of college is not very difficult. I would make some changes to the dream act.

    First to get a work permit, then illegals will need to have
    1. 3 years in the military, getting a honorable discharge or
    2. Finish a college degree with C or better

    To get residency then they need to be in stable employment for 3 years without using food stamps, housing support or medicaid.

    I believe this will encourage immigrants to become self reliant, and it will create a path to citizenship.

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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Ellis Island opened in 1892 as a federal immigration station, a purpose it served for more than 60 years (it closed in 1954). Millions of newly arrived immigrants passed through the station during that time--in fact, it has been estimated that close to 40 percent of all current U.S. citizens can trace at least one of their ancestors to Ellis Island.
    History of Ellis Island

    Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

    Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    History of Ellis Island

    Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

    Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
    There is a big difference between the early 1900s and now. There was no welfare back then. If you couldn't support yourself, you would starve.

    Open borders do not work with welfare.

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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I always believed there should be a path to citizenship for illegals, ....
    There always has been.
    Come here legally.

    They should not have preference over everybody else that wants to come to this Country.
    Especially since what they did is not legal.






    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
    Ridiculous.
    One major difference in comparison, is that what was done in the past, was legal.
    People were needed to fill the expanding Country.
    Not so today.
    And any Country should have the right to set the standards as to who they will accept as immigrants at any time it chooses.

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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I always believed there should be a path to citizenship for illegals, but I think what Democrats was proposing made it too easy. Making it too easy will encourage more illegal immigration. Finishing 2 years of college is not very difficult. I would make some changes to the dream act.

    First to get a work permit, then illegals will need to have
    1. 3 years in the military, getting a honorable discharge or
    2. Finish a college degree with C or better

    To get residency then they need to be in stable employment for 3 years without using food stamps, housing support or medicaid.

    I believe this will encourage immigrants to become self reliant, and it will create a path to citizenship.
    Not only no but Hell no. The only thing illegals should get is a boot in the ass back across the border.If they want citizenship bad enough then they can go back across the border and do it the the legal route the way millions of actual immigrants do every year.

    Granting Amnesty and so called dream acts just encourage illegal immigration and therefore makes it worse. It amounts to pouring gas on a fire and expecting it to be put out. I don't give a damn or rats ass if their parents brought them over as minors.As adults they are now willing participants and as such and has had time to try to become legal or go the legal route.
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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    I can see this both ways. I think that illegals need to do it the same way my ancestors did it. Legally

    But then I also see those kids of long time illegals who have been here for all or almost all of their lives and know no other life and consider themselves Americans (USA version). They have jobs, may be in the military, going to college and being productive. Those people should be given some type of fast lane system.

    What about their parents? No good idea from this end, but I will say DO NOT assume that there were not these types of situations all through the last 150 years because their were.

    case in point = A cousin of my greatgrandfather stowe away on a freighter from Germany to the Canada travelled to the Great Lakes and went to work for his brother who was here legally. He was a farmer for most of his live and eventually became a citizen.
    The local government knew all about him but because he was working and not making trouble they did not act.

    What people do not realize is that a great many people who came to this country especially from Europe lied on the ships manifests as to what kind of occupation they had. They did so because they knew if they put down something useful like farmer or mason, they had a better chance of getting in.
    My greatgrandfather (fathers side) was a master barber but put down mason as his occupation because he knew he would never get in as a barber. He had worked for his wifes cousin as a mason for one year in Germany when money was tight.
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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    I cannot agree with this with the possible exception for the children (age 13 or less) who came over with their parents. It would apply if there were someone who can be guardians which have legal status the parents who are illegals do not get to stay because of this.
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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I cannot agree with this with the possible exception for the children (age 13 or less) who came over with their parents. It would apply if there were someone who can be guardians which have legal status the parents who are illegals do not get to stay because of this.
    And so this country will separate a child from its parents? Yeah that will work real well. Sounds abit to 1933-45 to me. As I said I don't have a good answer to this part of the issue, but that is not one I am willing to consider or condone.
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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    History of Ellis Island

    Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

    Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
    What was good for the country at one time doesn't necessarily hold forever as a national tradition. Earlier in American history, there was a shortage of workers caused by new jobs being created through scientific development and unobstructed use of natural resources. Today immigration is treason used to take away jobs from those born here, lower wages, and break up the solidarity of the majority by distracting the people with an incompatible and threatening foreign invasion. As most modern Limousine Liberal programs, this come-one-come-all tsunami of immigrants is a cover for their Conservative classmates' economic supremacy.
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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    And so this country will separate a child from its parents? Yeah that will work real well. Sounds abit to 1933-45 to me. As I said I don't have a good answer to this part of the issue, but that is not one I am willing to consider or condone.
    It is not something that I would agree with either but that is the logical conclusion for the reason of the Dream Act. Children of illegals who have been here and consider themselves American and would have problems with being sent to a Country they do not consider their own getting an exemption of which the parents do not deserve.
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