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Thread: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    History of Ellis Island

    Imagine that. If it weren't for immigration of the early 1900's, 40% of us would not be here today. I certainly know that I wouldn't. My grandmother was an immigrant from Hungary. My wife's grandfather was from Finland. The immigrants at that time only needed to pass a medical and legal screen to see if they were fit for entry into the US.

    Fast forward 100 years and now WE are the ones trying to dictate how immigrants can become US citizens. Talk about crapping on your grandparent's (great-grandparents for the young folks) dreams of coming to America for freedom and opportunity. We're trying to tell this generation of immigrants they can come if, only if they do our song and dance first. Just open the doors and let them in. They will have to pay taxes when they become citizens. That's my view on it.
    This isnt the 1900s and they all came here legally and were papered and registered and they WERE not citizens when they went through ellis island all that did was give them legal entry. Now lets go further....they recieved no welfare, no free healthcare, they got NOTHING from the govt. Those immigrants did not cost us hundreds of billions of dollars.

    Naturalization After 1906

    When the INS was created in 1906, other naturalization records were created to process naturalizations and keep track of immigrants in the United States. Copies of these documents are only in the possession of the former INS, now United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). A summary of some of these documents are listed below:

    Certificate of Arrival, 1906 to the present--After 1906 an immigrant was required to submit a certificate of arrival when he petitioned for citizenship in order to prove the length of his residency. This document gives the place of entry, manner of arrival, and date of arrival. This was kept in the file with the petition.

    Certificate of Registry--A certificate created by the INS to document immigrants who arrived prior to July 1, 1924 to the United States where no original arrival record could be located.

    Visa and Application--Began with the Immigration Act of 1924. All aliens had to have a Visa to enter the United States. Visas were obtained at US Embassies and Consulates abroad. Visa Files contain birth information, parents, children, previous residence and a photograph beginning in 1929.

    Alien Registration--The Alien Registration Act of 1940 required every non-citizen of the United States, age 14 years and up, to register and fill out the Alien Registration form. The Alien Registration Program created a specific form, AR-2, that were used from 1 Aug 1940 to 31 Mar 1944 during World War II. All original alien registration forms were microfilmed and are at the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. The originals were destroyed after filming.

    An alien registration form contains the following information:

    Name
    Name at time of entry to the US
    Other names used
    Address
    Date of Birth
    Citizenship/Nationality
    Gender
    Marital Status
    Race
    Height & Weight
    Hair & Eye Color
    Port, date, ship, and class of admission at last arrival in US
    Date of first arrival in US
    Years lived in US
    Intended stay in US
    Usual occupation
    Present occupation
    Present employer, including address
    Club, organization, or society memberships
    Military service (Country, branch, dates)
    Date and number of Declaration of Intention (if filed), and city and State where filed
    Date of Petition for Naturalization (if filed), and city and State where filed
    Arrest history
    Fingerprint
    Signature
    Date and place of registration[3]

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    Dont even try to compare what european LEGAL immigrants went through to get here and what they had to do to stay here and they did it all without recieving anything from the govt.

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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    No, I don't support any version of the DREAM Act, or any form of Amnesty. Giving lawbreakers any reprieve, especially in this time of economic difficulty, is unsound policy.

    "What if they served in our military?" IMHO, serving in our Military is an Honoured Privilege that should only be granted to the citizens of this Great Country. Foreigners shouldn't serve in our Military because they may serve Foreign Interest. That's a given.

    "What if they went to college?" There's not enough seats for our citizenry and applications are getting denied for legal immigrants to schools; why are illegal immigrants filling those seats?

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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Dont even try to compare what european LEGAL immigrants went through to get here and what they had to do to stay here and they did it all without recieving anything from the govt.
    Likewise, the immigrants of today aren't getting anything from the government. According to the Dream Act, they don't instantly become citizens. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding of the Dream Act that needs to be cleared up here.

    Under the 2009 version of the Senate bill DREAM Act beneficiaries must:
    -Have proof of having arrived in the United States before age 16.
    -Have proof of residence in the United States for at least five consecutive years since their date of arrival.
    -If male, have registered with the Selective Service.
    -Be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of bill enactment.
    -Have graduated from an American high school, obtained a GED, or been admitted to an institution of higher education.
    -Be of good moral character. (Read the link for the specifics)

    During the first six years, qualifying people would be granted "conditional" status and would be required to (a) graduate from a two-year community college or (b) complete at least two years towards a four-year degree or (c) serve two years in the US military. After this six year period, those who meet at least one of these three conditions would be eligible to apply for permanent resident status. During this six year conditional period, they would not be eligible for federal higher education grants such as Pell grants but they would be able to apply for student loans and work study.
    If they have met all of the conditions at the end of the 6-year conditional period, they would be granted permanent residency, which would eventually allow them to become U.S. citizens. It is not known how many of those eligible would go on to complete the further requirements.
    Becoming a citizen under this act is more than just going to college for 2 years. There's a 6 year conditional period. After reading through the list of items regarding "good moral character", you pretty much have to have been a good angel 5 years prior to starting the process to become a citizen. We're not just handing out citizenship on a silver plate.
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    Re: Alternative version of the Dream Act.

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    Likewise, the immigrants of today aren't getting anything from the government. According to the Dream Act, they don't instantly become citizens. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding of the Dream Act that needs to be cleared up here.



    Becoming a citizen under this act is more than just going to college for 2 years. There's a 6 year conditional period. After reading through the list of items regarding "good moral character", you pretty much have to have been a good angel 5 years prior to starting the process to become a citizen. We're not just handing out citizenship on a silver plate.

    You couldnt be more wrong...they get free health care at any emergency room all their babies are delivered free...they get welfare food stamps and some get social security and some get free tuition in college, rent assistance, utility assistance the list is endless and varies by state...except for healthcare at emergency room is federal law....its NOT EVEN CLOSE...european immigrants that came through ellis island...either worked or starved...they paid the doctor or they didnt go...midwives delivered babies...

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