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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You mean like how alcohol use was virtually eliminated after it became legal? Oh wait...
    Well, the rate of marijuana use in the Netherlands (which has the most lax marijuana laws) is lower than in the United States.

    You would expect a higher rate of us in a country where marijuana is practically legal.

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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    The usage rates I provided render your rebuttal to a whole lot of empty bluster. If you want to even have a chance of doing anything aside from attempting a very weak attempt at ridicule (and if you want your attempt at ridicule to have a remote chance of success) you have to refute the data I provided - because it absolutely contradicts what you are trying to use as your rebuttal.

    simple question from the usage rates i provided, which is used more frequently at a younger age? Alcohol which is legal and controlled, or marijuana which is illegal and uncontrolled?

    edit since I see you edited this in:


    Some will still use, no doubt about it, the whole point is to minimize this not eradicate it, it is impossible to do that. But lets look at cigarettes.. there are no advertisements for them anymore, they have been deglamourized, and people have been educated on their potential harms. Guess what has happened? usage rates have been steadily declining for some time now. the facts again support what I am arguing here.
    Well we can go back and forth all day. We both have different views that we cant change on each other. However, there is one thing I agree 100% with you on, that is the education of marijuana. I believe a lot of people don't realize the health effects that it has. So we do need to invest in more education on this issue.
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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    99% of all heroin users drank milk as a child, therefore milk is a gateway drug. If pot is illegal . . . shouldn't milk be illegal as well?
    That a very invalid point. almost every human being drinks milk unless they are lactose intolerant.

    That is like me saying 100% of people who smoke weed breath air. air is a gateway drug, shouldn't it be illegal?

    It's invalid.
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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by mhurford View Post
    the answer to your question is marijuana. You are failing to answer my question. how is your "delaying the age of first use" going to decrease this percentage? I would like a VALID response.
    Because there are studies and ample evidence that shows that the later in life one tries a drug for the first time, the less likelihood that their usage will become habitual or problematic, and also there is a significantly lower chance of them going on to use harder and more dangerous substances. Delaying the age of first use also lessens the likelihood that they will try the drug in the first place. This is especially true in their formative years,m when we have 8th and 10th graders using marijuana, these kids have the odds stacked against them right out of the gate. If we can get at least some of them if not the majority to wait just a few more years then they will be more mature, and more able to make a rational informed decision.

    edit: and yes the answer to my question IS marijuana. more kids use marijuana at an earlier age than they do alcohol. So if we want to minimize and delay usage, which strategy is clearly the least effective here?
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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Well, the rate of marijuana use in the Netherlands (which has the most lax marijuana laws) is lower than in the United States.

    You would expect a higher rate of us in a country where marijuana is practically legal.
    Your wrong on that statement.
    The Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts

    That data tells you that the use marijuana in the Netherlands is way higher then the use in America
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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Because there are studies and ample evidence that shows that the later in life one tries a drug for the first time, the less likelihood that their usage will become habitual or problematic, and also there is a significantly lower chance of them going on to use harder and more dangerous substances. Delaying the age of first use also lessens the likelihood that they will try the drug in the first place. This is especially true in their formative years,m when we have 8th and 10th graders using marijuana, these kids have the odds stacked against them right out of the gate. If we can get at least some of them if not the majority to wait just a few more years then they will be more mature, and more able to make a rational informed decision.

    edit: and yes the answer to my question IS marijuana. more kids use marijuana at an earlier age than they do alcohol. So if we want to minimize and delay usage, which strategy is clearly the least effective here?
    I'm following and it is a valid plan but how would you carry out this plan? maybe making the age to buy Marijuana 30 years of age or older? this ould prevent younger people selling to minors I suppose.
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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by mhurford View Post
    Your wrong on that statement.
    The Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts

    That data tells you that the use marijuana in the Netherlands is way higher then the use in America
    from YOUR link:

    (1997-1999) "The figures for cannabis use among the general population reveal the same pictures. The Netherlands does not differ greatly from other European countries. In contrast, a comparison with the US shows a striking difference in this area: 32.9% of Americans aged 12 and above have experience with cannabis and 5.1% have used in the past month. These figures are twice as high as those in the Netherlands."
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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Well, the rate of marijuana use in the Netherlands (which has the most lax marijuana laws) is lower than in the United States.

    You would expect a higher rate of us in a country where marijuana is practically legal.
    So, you're saying, having m/j available at every 7-11 across the country, means less people trying/using it? Lol. One thing that has always puzzled me about the pro legalization crowd. On one hand we're told that m/j is not a bad thing at all, in fact, it might be a good thing, relieves stress, whatever. So why try to take both roads? Why promote it, but yet try to argue that usage rates will go down? Why do pro legalization people care about usage rates at all?

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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by mhurford View Post
    I'm following and it is a valid plan but how would you carry out this plan? maybe making the age to buy Marijuana 30 years of age or older? this ould prevent younger people selling to minors I suppose.
    Give up your insistence on using the word "prevention" this is an impossible fools errand. It is about doing what we can to minimize usage among juveniles. I see no reason the age should differ from that of alcohol. I also think the penalties for distributing both alcohol and other substances to minors should be made tougher.
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    Re: Legalisation of Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    from YOUR link:
    do not ignore the 2009 statement.
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