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    How Do You See Humanity?

    Obviously, this OP was inspired by the "How Do You See Black People" test. So, I decided to create my own test.

    The fact that a thread like that even exists, or that such a question would even be necessary, and the fact that some of the replies were so 'blind' to the apex of the question itself, is proof positive that my theory about humanity being approximately 3000 to 4000 years behind its potential progress curve, is proof worthy.

    Think about it. Of course, I know that asking some of you to actually 'think' is a monumental suggestion in and of itself, but just ponder the type and kind of world you might live in today, if all of humanity actually had the intelligence and the moral backbone to exist as selfless human beings seeking only that which promotes the progress of humanity.

    As one who knows a little bit about mathematics, aerodynamics and subatomic physics, I can 100% promise you that in less than 3000 to 4000 years from now, the collaborative relationship between both the physics and the aerospace science communities, will solve the propulsion problem that is partly responsible for restricting human interstellar travel with return and recovery. Relax, I won't turn this into aerospace science thread. However, I have thought about this mathematically.

    It is my strongly held personal belief that there is a genuine (real) connection between the intellectual growth and progress/achievement curve of humanity down through the millennia, that is directly proportional to the product of aggregate intellectual input and inversely proportional to the square of the magnitude of humanity's ethnic divisions. This proportionality can be derived in a number of different ways, but I believe the fundamental structure of the inputs to be very sound. To put it rather simply, the stronger the ethnic divisions throughout the world, the weaker the intellectual aggregate impulse that gets applied to moving the planet further into the future with a higher rate of progress and accomplishment that serves all humanity.

    This should not be an earth shattering revelation to anyone. It is based upon the easily understood principle that not only will no house divided stand forever, but that no divided planet with intelligent life will ever achieve its true potential, or even come remotely close to doing so.

    Why?

    Number one: The leading causes of war in all of recorded human history are rooted in Power & Control, as well as Ethnic & Cultural instability. From those two primary amalgamated composite structures are derived all of humanity's sub-contextual causations for war: Religion, Economic, Territorial, Resources, Imperial Conquests, Disputes of various kinds, etc.

    Number two: The fewer number of people engaged in mortal conflict, or being negatively and adversely impacted as a direct consequence of mortal conflict brought about through the primary causations of war, the few number of people there will be engaged in the intellectual pursuits necessary to steepen the progress and achievement curve of humanity on a global scale.

    When you constantly live in a world of negativity, it is very difficult to produce positive thoughts and the resources that are expended in the constant and ongoing strife within society as a whole, robs the cradle of intellectual creativity and deprives it from producing healthy, abundant and diverse off-spring. Einstein, once wrote that "imagination is everything" and he later went on to insinuate that without imagination, humanity will never extend beyond what it already knows.

    When you keep degrading yourself by thinking that your ethnic bias is somehow progressing either intellect, or your position in life - you categorically define yourself as one of the many shallow pins with no depth of penetration into that which has the potential to free humanity to become all that it can be. In other words, the real drag on human development and its progress into the future, are those who are morally and intellectually without the capacity to envision themselves living in a world where they actually contribute to the upward angular momentum of a vibrant and progressive curve of achievement, for the common good of all fully sentient beings who call earth their home.

    You can call it a Futurist point of view. You can call it a Utopian Society. Or, you can label it "Perfection" and therefore unattainable. But, no matter what you might call it, the fact of the matter is that no intellectual species will ever be greater than its weakest link. Until all of humanity decides that its future is more important than its past, or that its future is more important than the mythical divisions created by those who lack genuine vision, moral clarity and intellectual stability, this planet will continually drag the progress and achievement curve in the gutter and never reach its fullest potential. United we stand. Divided, we ultimately perish.

    Our archaeological origins reside in Africa, but our future, if genuine progress is our aim, is well beyond the Milkyway. But, long before that can ever have the slightest chance of becoming a reality, all of humanity will have to shift-forward into new realm of thought as it relates to how it "Sees Itself," not merely here on planet earth, but throughout the entire Universe. Anything less than our absolute best in aggregate intellectual focus on the common good, won't be good enough to ever gain ground on our 3000 to 4000 year slow start.


    How do you "see" humanity:

    A) Capable of gaining ground on a 3000 to 4000 year slow start?
    B) Incapable of ever reaching its fullest potential due to ignorance, ethnic strife and war?
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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by PW4000 View Post
    Obviously, this OP was inspired by the "How Do You See Black People" test. So, I decided to create my own test.

    The fact that a thread like that even exists, or that such a question would even be necessary, and the fact that some of the replies were so 'blind' to the apex of the question itself, is proof positive that my theory about humanity being approximately 3000 to 4000 years behind its potential progress curve, is proof worthy.

    Think about it. Of course, I know that asking some of you to actually 'think' is a monumental suggestion in and of itself, but just ponder the type and kind of world you might live in today, if all of humanity actually had the intelligence and the moral backbone to exist as selfless human beings seeking only that which promotes the progress of humanity.

    As one who knows a little bit about mathematics, aerodynamics and subatomic physics, I can 100% promise you that in less than 3000 to 4000 years from now, the collaborative relationship between both the physics and the aerospace science communities, will solve the propulsion problem that is partly responsible for restricting human interstellar travel with return and recovery. Relax, I won't turn this into aerospace science thread. However, I have thought about this mathematically.

    It is my strongly held personal belief that there is a genuine (real) connection between the intellectual growth and progress/achievement curve of humanity down through the millennia, that is directly proportional to the product of aggregate intellectual input and inversely proportional to the square of the magnitude of humanity's ethnic divisions. This proportionality can be derived in a number of different ways, but I believe the fundamental structure of the inputs to be very sound. To put it rather simply, the stronger the ethnic divisions throughout the world, the weaker the intellectual aggregate impulse that gets applied to moving the planet further into the future with a higher rate of progress and accomplishment that serves all humanity.

    This should not be an earth shattering revelation to anyone. It is based upon the easily understood principle that not only will no house divided stand forever, but that no divided planet with intelligent life will ever achieve its true potential, or even come remotely close to doing so.

    Why?

    Number one: The leading causes of war in all of recorded human history are rooted in Power & Control, as well as Ethnic & Cultural instability. From those two primary amalgamated composite structures are derived all of humanity's sub-contextual causations for war: Religion, Economic, Territorial, Resources, Imperial Conquests, Disputes of various kinds, etc.

    Number two: The fewer number of people engaged in mortal conflict, or being negatively and adversely impacted as a direct consequence of mortal conflict brought about through the primary causations of war, the few number of people there will be engaged in the intellectual pursuits necessary to steepen the progress and achievement curve of humanity on a global scale.

    When you constantly live in a world of negativity, it is very difficult to produce positive thoughts and the resources that are expended in the constant and ongoing strife within society as a whole, robs the cradle of intellectual creativity and deprives it from producing healthy, abundant and diverse off-spring. Einstein, once wrote that "imagination is everything" and he later went on to insinuate that without imagination, humanity will never extend beyond what it already knows.

    When you keep degrading yourself by thinking that your ethnic bias is somehow progressing either intellect, or your position in life - you categorically define yourself as one of the many shallow pins with no depth of penetration into that which has the potential to free humanity to become all that it can be. In other words, the real drag on human development and its progress into the future, are those who are morally and intellectually without the capacity to envision themselves living in a world where they actually contribute to the upward angular momentum of a vibrant and progressive curve of achievement, for the common good of all fully sentient beings who call earth their home.

    You can call it a Futurist point of view. You can call it a Utopian Society. Or, you can label it "Perfection" and therefore unattainable. But, no matter what you might call it, the fact of the matter is that no intellectual species will ever be greater than its weakest link. Until all of humanity decides that its future is more important than its past, or that its future is more important than the mythical divisions created by those who lack genuine vision, moral clarity and intellectual stability, this planet will continually drag the progress and achievement curve in the gutter and never reach its fullest potential. United we stand. Divided, we ultimately perish.

    Our archaeological origins reside in Africa, but our future, if genuine progress is our aim, is well beyond the Milkyway. But, long before that can ever have the slightest chance of becoming a reality, all of humanity will have to shift-forward into new realm of thought as it relates to how it "Sees Itself," not merely here on planet earth, but throughout the entire Universe. Anything less than our absolute best in aggregate intellectual focus on the common good, won't be good enough to ever gain ground on our 3000 to 4000 year slow start.


    How do you "see" humanity:

    A) Capable of gaining ground on a 3000 to 4000 year slow start?
    B) Incapable of ever reaching its fullest potential due to ignorance, ethnic strife and war?
    I enjoyed reading this a lot, thank you! I'm going to define humanity as society. I believe society itself is oppressive and ignorant. Why do we have wars? Ignorance. Why are people treated poorly? Ignorance. It seems like a lot of people in society are brought up to be power hungry. They want more money so they can buy more things and impress others or have control over them. It's insane that people are treated differently because they have different beliefs than other. Currently, I don't see society changing and I highly doubt that it can ever reach its true potential. Humans tend to be power hungry and oppressive to others with different views. The people in power are the people who come up with what is "moral," and how the society should live. And as long as the people in charge are heartless, entirely profit-driven, or only looking out for themselves, then society cannot advance as efficiently as possible.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    I think in 3000 years we'll have already destroyed ourselves. We possess several fundamental cognitive flaws that I believe make it impossible for us to get past this sort of conflict.

    1) Tribalism. It's hard-wired. When we were cave men, the "others" really were coming to get you. They were going to take your food, water, and women. People who are different are Bad, they are the Enemy, and they must be stopped. Racism is an example of this underlying problem, but it's just a symptom of the underlying cause. Everything gets colored by this Us vs. Them thinking. The other race is bad. The other religion is bad. The other political party is bad. The other sports teams fans are bad.

    2) Confirmation bias. We focus on things that make us right and ignore things that make us wrong. If you've decided this month was windy, you notice and remember all of the windy days and pay little attention to the calm days. At the end of the month, you've convinced yourself it was windier than normal even though it actually wasn't.

    3) Source amnesia. We only really remember the broad strokes. Little details like what the source of information was, how credible that source was, what it actually said etc, get forgotten. Every knows that in the 1970s all the scientists said we were headed for an ice age. Number of scientists who actually said that? Zero. Not one. Because you don't remember a scientists saying that. You remember a time magazine cover. You might have even read the article, but what you don't remember is that not one scientist in the article said anything about an ice age.

    4) Our memory sucks. We can convince ourselves that we remember things that never actually happened.

    Combine the above. We hate the other people. They're bad, so we perceive everything they do in that light. Even when it seems good, we perceive bad motivations underneath, thus proving their badness! Somebody said something about them being bad, 6 months later you don't remember that thing turned out to be false, or how that somebody was actually a nutjob. We just remember the Bad Thing.

    But we've always been this way. Why haven't we obliterated ourselves yet? Well, now we're actually capable of doing that. Our tools of war have gotten more and more powerful, producing them has become easier and easier. The above cognitive issues? They're getting worse, and the fault is that glowy box you're looking at right now. The internet is the most powerful tool of information ever created, but that also makes it the most powerful tool of misinformation ever invented. Horse**** spreads unbelievably fast. The truth moves slower, because the truth is more complicated. But the truth doesn't work when fiction has already been decided to be fact. When we solidify a belief, proof to the contrary doesn't alter our belief, it actually solidifies it. You cannot reason someone out of an opinion they did not reason themselves into.

    Bull**** is getting faster, weapons are getting more powerful, and we're still horrifyingly bad at assessing information objectively.
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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think in 3000 years we'll have already destroyed ourselves. We possess several fundamental cognitive flaws that I believe make it impossible for us to get past this sort of conflict.

    1) Tribalism. It's hard-wired. When we were cave men, the "others" really were coming to get you. They were going to take your food, water, and women. People who are different are Bad, they are the Enemy, and they must be stopped. Racism is an example of this underlying problem, but it's just a symptom of the underlying cause. Everything gets colored by this Us vs. Them thinking. The other race is bad. The other religion is bad. The other political party is bad. The other sports teams fans are bad.

    2) Confirmation bias. We focus on things that make us right and ignore things that make us wrong. If you've decided this month was windy, you notice and remember all of the windy days and pay little attention to the calm days. At the end of the month, you've convinced yourself it was windier than normal even though it actually wasn't.

    3) Source amnesia. We only really remember the broad strokes. Little details like what the source of information was, how credible that source was, what it actually said etc, get forgotten. Every knows that in the 1970s all the scientists said we were headed for an ice age. Number of scientists who actually said that? Zero. Not one. Because you don't remember a scientists saying that. You remember a time magazine cover. You might have even read the article, but what you don't remember is that not one scientist in the article said anything about an ice age.

    4) Our memory sucks. We can convince ourselves that we remember things that never actually happened.

    Combine the above. We hate the other people. They're bad, so we perceive everything they do in that light. Even when it seems good, we perceive bad motivations underneath, thus proving their badness! Somebody said something about them being bad, 6 months later you don't remember that thing turned out to be false, or how that somebody was actually a nutjob. We just remember the Bad Thing.

    But we've always been this way. Why haven't we obliterated ourselves yet? Well, now we're actually capable of doing that. Our tools of war have gotten more and more powerful, producing them has become easier and easier. The above cognitive issues? They're getting worse, and the fault is that glowy box you're looking at right now. The internet is the most powerful tool of information ever created, but that also makes it the most powerful tool of misinformation ever invented. Horse**** spreads unbelievably fast. The truth moves slower, because the truth is more complicated. But the truth doesn't work when fiction has already been decided to be fact. When we solidify a belief, proof to the contrary doesn't alter our belief, it actually solidifies it. You cannot reason someone out of an opinion they did not reason themselves into.

    Bull**** is getting faster, weapons are getting more powerful, and we're still horrifyingly bad at assessing information objectively.
    Iow, we're human.

    For the most part, I view humanity as just a little above the level of the other mammals, with much more destructive capability. It would be wonderful if people could put down their biases, and their tribalism, and do what is beneficial for themselves and others, but we're not made of that cloth just yet. There's a few shining stars, but not many. For now, we will do what nature itself dictates, and each individual will just plug along life's path, doing what he needs to do, until he dies.

    The goals in the op sound lofty, but they are not without their downside.
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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bull**** is getting faster, weapons are getting more powerful, and we're still horrifyingly bad at assessing information objectively.
    Yeah, unfortunately we are something like that.


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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Humans are like wolves.

    One species, multiple subspecies (or races, breeds) and multiple variations of each subspecies (ethnic groups).

    When one pack of wolves comes in contact with another because one trespasses on the others' territory, trouble arises. This happens regardless of what the packs of wolves are. They can be of the same breed and same variation (i.e. like when the greeks fought one another in ancient times)... same breed and different variations (like when the french fought the english), or different breeds ( like when arabs fought with blacks, or europeans fought with arabs, or countless beyond countless examples).

    It is very simple. I do not see this as being a bad thing, I see it as being a natural thing. As long as we masquarade it as being something it isn't... a social construct or racism or something stupid like that, we will never be able to solve our differences and understand them, on a large scale and thus, we can never have a real peace between races. Peace is not made through ignorance and wishful thinking, it is made through research and science and education.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    I take a more optimistic approach, and believe that as our knowledge base increases, our technology base expands, our social structures mature and expand we have every opportunity to unite as citizens of the planet as opposed to artificial national constructs.

    I agree that we as homo sapiens sapiens - the culmination of millions of years of evolution - are hard wired with certain behaviours and fears. this hardwiring is slowly being chipped away by our increasing intellectual capabilities and removal of primal threats. We have a long way to go before we can render Morris' Territorial Imperative obsolete, but there are positive signs in this regard.

    As our knowledge increases, we have already rejected the biblical notion of races. Science has proven definitively that there are no other existing subspecies of homo except homo sapiens sapiens - regardless of colour, ethnicity, origin etc. Genetic studies have now provide us with a realistic picture of who we are and where we have come from in an anthropological sense. At some point in the not too distant future, I think our external differences will no longer be an excuse for divisivness, aggression and hatred.

    AS our technology increases we have collectively eliminated our need to hunt/gather which over time slowly erodes that hard wiring required to be successful in this survival mode. Technology has constantly if unevenly improved our standards of living, and perhaps more importantly expanded our expectations of what those standards deliver to us. As communication technology becomes pervasive, our ability to share, educate, direct, plan, debate, entertain, research, etc. is exponentially growing. The ability to articulate, compare and debate political/economic/social/religious viewpoints across multiple nationalities and multiple philosophies is contributing to a better understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of all political constructs we have invented.

    Today we are experiencing in varying degrees a conflict between science and spirituality. More and more people are rejecting the hidebound doctrines of ancient religion and while not necessarily foresaking their personal beliefs in a god, are accepting of the realities that science describes. The current confrontation of modernity with Islam will accelerate this shift and I believe that pervasive communications coupled with education will facilitate both an Islamic reformation and a second christian reformation within the next generation or two at the most.

    We have all of the necessary attributes and resources needed to reach out to the stars. While it is not by any means a sure thing, I'd like to think that my ancestors might view interstellar travel and communication to be routine.

    (that probably comes from a life long addiction to hard science fiction - but ,....)
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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    In a **** load of trouble!!!!
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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Well, after reading some of the posts in some of the other threads, I would say that right now I feel pretty discouraged about "humanity" right now. I feel like we are plagued by a lot of ignorance and douchebaggery.

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