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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    My thinking is from a quote by Albert Schweitzer over 65 years ago

    "We have lost the ability to foresee and forstall, we shall end by destroying ourselves."

    Intelligence (understanding) is not prized in this country and maybe not in the world. The journalist write their papers and report the news for people with the understanding and comprhension of a 5th grader. We quibble about nonsense instead of working together. We fear the unknown or what we do not understand instead of exploring it and finding out about it.

    We refuse to step out of our own secure comfort zones and realize the potential in people and the world as a whole. We are one earth not segments, why is that so scary? Some of us bury our heads in the ground and believe that this will keep us safe or fight to the death over the status quo.

    Time moves whether you like it or not. The train is leaving and I fear we will not be on time to catch it.

    "Those who do not learn from history are condemned to relive it." Sound wisdom
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic View Post
    I enjoyed reading this a lot, thank you! I'm going to define humanity as society. I believe society itself is oppressive and ignorant. Why do we have wars? Ignorance. Why are people treated poorly? Ignorance. It seems like a lot of people in society are brought up to be power hungry. They want more money so they can buy more things and impress others or have control over them. It's insane that people are treated differently because they have different beliefs than other. Currently, I don't see society changing and I highly doubt that it can ever reach its true potential. Humans tend to be power hungry and oppressive to others with different views. The people in power are the people who come up with what is "moral," and how the society should live. And as long as the people in charge are heartless, entirely profit-driven, or only looking out for themselves, then society cannot advance as efficiently as possible.
    You are welcome, Sonic.

    Your causations for "society" and its illness are interesting. I spent roughly 10 years of my life studying money and learning how to grow capital. I did it for three very good reasons. I saw the instability in global economies, its impact on the job market and came to the conclusion that that relatively few of the career paths that I was either qualified for by way of formal education and/or actual industry experience, would be "safe" from significant volatility. I also grew-up poor and knew what a life of insufficient income would mean in future years, having seen my parents struggle to make ends meet. Lastly, I always knew that there was something 'significant' for me to do in life, that went well beyond just my own personal desires and needs in life.

    Today, I run and manage a private fund that is closed to the public began with my own capital. I expect to use it as the funding source for a global non-profit organization at some point in the not so distant future, providing much needed services to people who might otherwise life their entire life going without. So, my study of money goes beyond my own personal interests. My view of money, has changed over the years and I see it as tool for effecting positive change around the world. I think people who hoard money, merely for the sake of hoarding it, are not fulfilling their best destiny, nor are they living an optimal life - regardless of how many 250 ft yachts they manage to build over the course of their lifetime. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 250 ft yacht. It employees people, keeps the economy moving along and yachting (I hear) can be great fun and an awesome way to unwind and relax.

    However, there is most certainly something deadly wrong when those who can afford to build that new 250 ft yacht, are so myopic that they can't bring themselves to pay any attention to the fact that millions of Children around the world go to sleep each night hungry. That blows my mind. When you can clearly make a change in the lives of people without it causing severe damage to your own lifestyle, and you sit on your rear-end doing absolutely nothing but blowing a new hole through the roof of your bank accounts, then it is my personal belief that you don't deserve what you have. That's just my own personal take on the matter.

    So, this takes your premise and really narrows it down to one word: Greed.

    You can take a huge percentage of humanity's problems and place them directly under that one word - and you would be very precise and accurate for having done so. There are too many people in this world that have no moral sense of the "common good." They are in it for themselves and damn everybody else who can't get their own.

    Much of our entire global society is predicated on money. We work on jobs that we don't like for money. We put up with bosses that we don't like for money. We live in places that we would rather not live for money. We spend inordinate amounts of time away from home and our families for money. We exchange vast amounts of our time each day for money. We rob for money. We steal for money. We cheat for money. We lie to our electorate for the sole purpose of being supported by those who have money. We create false ideological political barriers to progress just so we can control the money. Our entire world rotates on its axis because of money. When we decide to make changes around the world for the improvement of the common good - it takes money do it. Money makes the world "go-round."

    So, how on earth do we change such a paradigm - predicated on the almighty dollar?

    There are ways to do it, but the powers that be most certainly won't bring any of them up for discussion and/or debate.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think in 3000 years we'll have already destroyed ourselves. We possess several fundamental cognitive flaws that I believe make it impossible for us to get past this sort of conflict.
    A pretty interesting analysis of humanity's First Brain Theory. The Primal Redux. Our inability to stray too far away from our most primitive instincts has been written about for quite some time now. Law Enforcement even uses some of these primal instinctive outputs to make decisions on whether or not a suspect is being truthful, or not being truthful. We have First Brain examples of human behavior all over the place - and you are correct, it is very much a part of who we are as human beings. Group Think, jumps out of most of what you presented and is probably the most relevant to a political forum. Ideological Group Think, also has a lot to do with what your thesis and in particular to politics, is the source of factors that down through history, were responsible for destroying entire nations.

    To try to put what you say into the context of how nations undermine their own existence, all one needs to do is explore the relationship between various forms of Group Think and previous nations/empires of the past that were deemed to be the greatest of their time. From the Mesopotamian, to the Egyptian and eventually the Roman, etc., it seems as if humanity in the aggregate never learns the vital lessons from the past. Often times though we forget to mention the s-l-o-w-l-y transforming nation of China, from being an Sovereign Imperial, to Communist and now to Socialist Republic.

    In fact, China, if it remains on this multi-hundred year trajectory, has some potential for becoming the poster child for how really long-term "Democracies" are formed - as their "next stop" just might be full-blown Representative Democracy. It certainly won't happen in my life-time, but if you classify the trajectory of their form of government as "indicative," then you have to conclude that it is possible, given their starting point. We rarely talk about Japan's "ascent" to Democracy all that much either, even though it was an "Imperial Navy" that struck into the heart of Pearl Harbor, not so very long ago. Today, Japan, by many standards, excluding much of its economic problems over the past 20+ years, would have to be considered a thriving Democracy, as we define it.

    I'm talking about "change" and the "potential" of human beings to grasp the notion and actually build societies based upon the principles embedded in the reasons for change. We could say that Japan, is futuristic look at China, on a smaller scale and conclude that, if people are capable of shedding the ideological group think of Imperialistic structures in favor of Democratic structures, then holistic social evolution to something even better than Capitalism is also possible. I have not yet described what I think is better than pure Capitalism, at this point. I'm just looking at history and accepting the fact that large scale "change" within an entire nation [b]is possible.[b] The old Egyptian empire is no longer extant, for example. Egypt still exists, but the old paradigms are gone and that is new potential Democracy now going through its own birth pangs. Again, I'm just looking for evidence that lasting long-term change in humanity is possible, in juxtaposition to what you wrote.

    So, given these elements that you outline: Tribalism, Confirmation Bias, Source Amnesia - and your theory that in 3,000 years humanity will have made itself extant, I search for the causes that nullify your premise and provides a platform for some kind of human consensus that change is not only good, but necessary for the survival of all humanity, though your post does pin down the notion that such change is even possible. I think that if global society can get beyond its beliefs about "money," that humanity has a better than 50% chance of moving itself along the path to correcting many of the long standing mistakes it has made down throughout the generations.

    Though my faith in humanity to make these corrections is waining, I am the eternal optimist and the perpetual optimizer. Thanks for the post - the points made are certainly not things to ignore going forward.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The goals in the op sound lofty, but they are not without their downside.

    What "IF" were were being visited ever 100 years by beings beyond our ability to comprehend and significantly advanced beyond our technological standards. Just - what if that were the case. What "IF" these advanced beings took a close look at our collective behavior from a global social and global environmental standpoint, that they themselves once had to deal with at some point in their own history - wherever they happen to call home in the Universe. What "IF" each time they visit us, make their assessment and board their "vehicle" for the return trip back to their home, they do so shanking their heads at not just our lack of progress, but indeed our actual regression?

    What "IF" they were part of a much larger contingent of advanced beings from various places throughout the Universe, where they themselves were only a fraction of the total number of different types of beings throughout the Universe. What "IF" there were multiple - for lack of a better term - Advance Races, who put together each 100 years, a task force for making First Contact with human beings. However, upon arrival and inspection of our behavior with respect to the each other and the planet, they are forced to get back into their vehicle and go back home shaking their heads while saying themselves: They are just not ready to join us. Never leaving a trace that they were ever here.

    Think about what 3,000 to 4,000 years of working for the common good might have net us at this point. We might not only be well beyond where we are today, but we might have been finally introduced for the first time to our other Brothers and Sisters who look nothing like us, but share the exact same Universe, with the exact same physical laws (Newtonian).

    I don't wonder about this "IF" scenario every day. However, it has crossed my mind once or twice before as a possibility, however small.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post

    That video was indeed a good example of the deeply rooted problems with human transformation. We are indeed devolving across the board in so many different ways, that it does seem rather useless at times to even talk about the potential for humanity to change.

    No matter the where you look on earth, you can find human beings doing some incredibly horrific things to other human beings, or the planet:






    When we make changes in our society, we are going to have to deal with all the instances of Child Abuse and all the wrong teachings that have been given to Children by their parents. This level of transformation obviously cannot be accomplished in a single generation. So, the question becomes, if humanity is ever to reach its fullest potential, what kinds of changes need to be made and how systemic do those changes need to be?
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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Peace is not made through ignorance and wishful thinking, it is made through research and science and education.

    Where has all of our research, science and education brought us thus far? Tribal building, followed by Empire building, followed by Kingdom building and now the epochs of Resource Manipulation and Economic Slave Development. All the while, research, science and education continues.

    Where there is no vision the people perish and Einstein, who I continually quote on this forum, once said that "imagination is everything." Einstein, recognized the need for visionaries. People who could think beyond the here and now, to conceive of what could be, and or what should be. He offered us some of the greatest achievements and progress in science during the 20th century, but when was the last time the earth saw such stand-out thinkers as Einstein, Newton, Galileo, Aristotle, Pythagoras, or some of the ancient Egyptian Priests that Pythagoras spent time learning from.

    Without the ability to conceive (first) of a new paradigm, no change is ever possible. And, without the ability to recognize the advantages of said new paradigm, no change will ever take place.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by PW4000 View Post
    Obviously, this OP was inspired by the "How Do You See Black People" test. So, I decided to create my own test.

    The fact that a thread like that even exists, or that such a question would even be necessary, and the fact that some of the replies were so 'blind' to the apex of the question itself, is proof positive that my theory about humanity being approximately 3000 to 4000 years behind its potential progress curve, is proof worthy.

    Think about it. Of course, I know that asking some of you to actually 'think' is a monumental suggestion in and of itself, but just ponder the type and kind of world you might live in today, if all of humanity actually had the intelligence and the moral backbone to exist as selfless human beings seeking only that which promotes the progress of humanity.

    As one who knows a little bit about mathematics, aerodynamics and subatomic physics, I can 100% promise you that in less than 3000 to 4000 years from now, the collaborative relationship between both the physics and the aerospace science communities, will solve the propulsion problem that is partly responsible for restricting human interstellar travel with return and recovery. Relax, I won't turn this into aerospace science thread. However, I have thought about this mathematically.

    It is my strongly held personal belief that there is a genuine (real) connection between the intellectual growth and progress/achievement curve of humanity down through the millennia, that is directly proportional to the product of aggregate intellectual input and inversely proportional to the square of the magnitude of humanity's ethnic divisions. This proportionality can be derived in a number of different ways, but I believe the fundamental structure of the inputs to be very sound. To put it rather simply, the stronger the ethnic divisions throughout the world, the weaker the intellectual aggregate impulse that gets applied to moving the planet further into the future with a higher rate of progress and accomplishment that serves all humanity.

    This should not be an earth shattering revelation to anyone. It is based upon the easily understood principle that not only will no house divided stand forever, but that no divided planet with intelligent life will ever achieve its true potential, or even come remotely close to doing so.

    Why?

    Number one: The leading causes of war in all of recorded human history are rooted in Power & Control, as well as Ethnic & Cultural instability. From those two primary amalgamated composite structures are derived all of humanity's sub-contextual causations for war: Religion, Economic, Territorial, Resources, Imperial Conquests, Disputes of various kinds, etc.

    Number two: The fewer number of people engaged in mortal conflict, or being negatively and adversely impacted as a direct consequence of mortal conflict brought about through the primary causations of war, the few number of people there will be engaged in the intellectual pursuits necessary to steepen the progress and achievement curve of humanity on a global scale.

    When you constantly live in a world of negativity, it is very difficult to produce positive thoughts and the resources that are expended in the constant and ongoing strife within society as a whole, robs the cradle of intellectual creativity and deprives it from producing healthy, abundant and diverse off-spring. Einstein, once wrote that "imagination is everything" and he later went on to insinuate that without imagination, humanity will never extend beyond what it already knows.

    When you keep degrading yourself by thinking that your ethnic bias is somehow progressing either intellect, or your position in life - you categorically define yourself as one of the many shallow pins with no depth of penetration into that which has the potential to free humanity to become all that it can be. In other words, the real drag on human development and its progress into the future, are those who are morally and intellectually without the capacity to envision themselves living in a world where they actually contribute to the upward angular momentum of a vibrant and progressive curve of achievement, for the common good of all fully sentient beings who call earth their home.

    You can call it a Futurist point of view. You can call it a Utopian Society. Or, you can label it "Perfection" and therefore unattainable. But, no matter what you might call it, the fact of the matter is that no intellectual species will ever be greater than its weakest link. Until all of humanity decides that its future is more important than its past, or that its future is more important than the mythical divisions created by those who lack genuine vision, moral clarity and intellectual stability, this planet will continually drag the progress and achievement curve in the gutter and never reach its fullest potential. United we stand. Divided, we ultimately perish.

    Our archaeological origins reside in Africa, but our future, if genuine progress is our aim, is well beyond the Milkyway. But, long before that can ever have the slightest chance of becoming a reality, all of humanity will have to shift-forward into new realm of thought as it relates to how it "Sees Itself," not merely here on planet earth, but throughout the entire Universe. Anything less than our absolute best in aggregate intellectual focus on the common good, won't be good enough to ever gain ground on our 3000 to 4000 year slow start.


    How do you "see" humanity:

    A) Capable of gaining ground on a 3000 to 4000 year slow start?
    B) Incapable of ever reaching its fullest potential due to ignorance, ethnic strife and war?
    The problem, here, is that you are viewing at humanity as a whole.

    However, we are all individuals.

    And so I think we should keep in mind what individuals can achieve, and regard this to their goals and their obligations.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by PW4000 View Post
    Where has all of our research, science and education brought us thus far? Tribal building, followed by Empire building, followed by Kingdom building and now the epochs of Resource Manipulation and Economic Slave Development. All the while, research, science and education continues.

    Where there is no vision the people perish and Einstein, who I continually quote on this forum, once said that "imagination is everything." Einstein, recognized the need for visionaries. People who could think beyond the here and now, to conceive of what could be, and or what should be. He offered us some of the greatest achievements and progress in science during the 20th century, but when was the last time the earth saw such stand-out thinkers as Einstein, Newton, Galileo, Aristotle, Pythagoras, or some of the ancient Egyptian Priests that Pythagoras spent time learning from.

    Without the ability to conceive (first) of a new paradigm, no change is ever possible. And, without the ability to recognize the advantages of said new paradigm, no change will ever take place.
    I have, by far, much more respect for the woman who just wants to get married and raise a child and does so successfully than someone with the hubris to try to "change the paradigm of all mankind."

    Newton didn't give birth to me. Einstein didn't bust his ass at a job to raise me. Galileo didn't feed me when I was a kid. Aristotle didn't teach me how to drive a car. Pythagoras wasn't the one who taught me at school.

    Over long stretches of time can we look at history in a Newtonian sense. But our day-to-day lives are filled with the quantum of individuals.

    And I quite enjoy their company even if the history books will never mention them.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The problem, here, is that you are viewing at humanity as a whole.

    However, we are all individuals.

    And so I think we should keep in mind what individuals can achieve, and regard this to their goals and their obligations.
    We ARE individuals just as cattle are individuals but when in large groups the herd mentality begins to take over. The mob can and DOES have a tendency to control the masses when in times of crisis. The efforts of a few can be over-run by the many.
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    Re: How Do You See Humanity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic View Post
    I enjoyed reading this a lot, thank you! I'm going to define humanity as society. I believe society itself is oppressive and ignorant. Why do we have wars? Ignorance. Why are people treated poorly? Ignorance. It seems like a lot of people in society are brought up to be power hungry. They want more money so they can buy more things and impress others or have control over them. It's insane that people are treated differently because they have different beliefs than other. Currently, I don't see society changing and I highly doubt that it can ever reach its true potential. Humans tend to be power hungry and oppressive to others with different views. The people in power are the people who come up with what is "moral," and how the society should live. And as long as the people in charge are heartless, entirely profit-driven, or only looking out for themselves, then society cannot advance as efficiently as possible.
    O'er time, we will reach our full potential, we have been around for tens or thousands of millions of years....so the progress will be slow.
    IMO, in my short span of 72 years, I think I have seen progress, but we have a long, long way to go.
    Rights of minorities
    Greater tolerance (I think)
    Ect.
    But the advances must continue...electing conservatives can retard progress too much - I think..

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