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  • Democratic party becomes much stronger, current platforms remain largely unchanged

    8 27.59%
  • Republican party adopts platform changes to appeal to new demographics, balance is maintained

    8 27.59%
  • republican party changes platform to appeal to new groups, republicans become more dominant

    4 13.79%
  • republican party loses popularity and another party (libertarians?) begins to take hold

    3 10.34%
  • republican party loses popularity and splits conservative votes with another party

    1 3.45%
  • democrats become too diverse (big tent) and split into smaller parties

    2 6.90%
  • other

    8 27.59%
  • goshinabega

    2 6.90%
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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Remember that during the Civil War the Repbulicans were the party of change and of social justice. They were the enviromental party and stood for equality.
    The Democratic Party was Pro Slavery and for big business.
    Actually, you got it wrong. Republicans were for big business after the civil war. big business were in the north, not in the south.

    This stayed that way until the Grant administration when the Republicans abandoned the negro vote and went to bed with big business. The dems filled the void and it has not changed much since.
    Haha, no!

    What really happened was that Republicans was always in bed with big business. Democrats remained racists, but turned further left economically. For instance in 1924 with FDR as a vice president of the Democrat ticket, Democrats debated if they were going to distance themselves from KKK.

    Then in 1933 they got the power because people were angry at big business, but Republicans did not take Democrats place just yet. That only happened in 1960. Before that Democrats were racist and left wing economically and the majority of blacks voted Republican.
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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Actually, you got it wrong. Republicans were for big business after the civil war. big business were in the north, not in the south.


    Haha, no!

    What really happened was that Republicans was always in bed with big business. Democrats remained racists, but turned further left economically. For instance in 1924 with FDR as a vice president of the Democrat ticket, Democrats debated if they were going to distance themselves from KKK.

    Then in 1933 they got the power because people were angry at big business, but Republicans did not take Democrats place just yet. That only happened in 1960. Before that Democrats were racist and left wing economically and the majority of blacks voted Republican.
    Lincoln was a Republican. He was in bed with big business. Right

    If you actually read what I said I said that Reps when to big business during the Grant Admin. I did not mention N or S.
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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    I would think it would be reversed.
    I wouldn't. Communism represents a stronger form of government control, and Democrats are clearly the front runner in that respect. Both sides are headed toward Communism, it's just that the Left is going to get there first.

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    Re: Long term demographics

    Boomers, positively and negatively, have affected every stage and facet of society they have traveled through. They are huge and their number represent many things from many perspectives. Generally they are not going to be like their parents or your grandparents are/were in their Third Age.

    The country is becoming more brown or less white. That doesn't mean that America will become more liberal as a result. Surprising to some, perhaps, Latinos are often conservatives.

    Women, depending on the length and severity of the current wave of oppression, may begin to find a less radical but more unified voice.

    As I see it those are the three major demographic groups to consider in regards to the future. If there are no major socio-economic changes and things remain pretty much as they are I think we will see a significant drop in GOP membership in the future. Gays and Lesbians will also play a role in reducing the strength of the GOP.

    Americans are dropping out of organized religions in increasing numbers while at the same time the religious right has a stranglehold on the GOP and the RR will not let go. Americans want their religion and government separated. The efforts of the RR to infiltrate and change government is backfiring on them. It has hurt the GOP and will contribute to the crippling of the GOP.

    The GOP will lose strength and may even splinter, but their influence will diminish.

    So where does everyone go? Beats the hell out of me. Some will not doubt go to the Democratic Party. At that might last for a while but the Democratic Party cannot unify and deliver. Many Americans, brainwashed at an early age, become partisans because "that's what you are supposed to do." Yes, it happened to me too for a while. Just as surely as many Republicans vote against Democrats just because Democrats are the opposing party, Democrats do the same in reverse. What it means in real terms is that fewer people are truly committed to either party than party numbers indicate.

    More American are figuring out that both ruling parties are bad, not good for America and only interested in their own preservation. More and more Americans are becoming independents or third party members. That is the current trend. Where will it lead? Who knows?

    None of the above will be valid if/when the citizens of the Untied States experience another national or international event.

    Nothing is certain but change. In so many ways, regarding so many issues, the People of America, had the opportunity to be the agents of change. We took the easy way out and said, "Naaa, **** it" as we are still doing today. What that means is that changes will still come, but we've done nothing the avert or lessen the impact, to mitigate the inevitable. We will not be the agents of change and change will be painful whatever it might be. Hopefully we will get lucky a time or two. I think we already have. But, luck is a lady and she does what she pleases, when she pleases.
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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Why would the Republican party have to change?

    Exactly. We just need to do a better job of convincing minorities that Republican politicians will do a better job of representing them.

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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I wouldn't. Communism represents a stronger form of government control, and Democrats are clearly the front runner in that respect. Both sides are headed toward Communism, it's just that the Left is going to get there first.
    You do know that you can have a strong central government without communism right?

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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    You do know that you can have a strong central government without communism right?
    It doesn't matter. I'm not interested in any kind of government that doesn't cultivate Capitalism within a free society.

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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Lincoln was a Republican. He was in bed with big business. Right

    If you actually read what I said I said that Reps when to big business during the Grant Admin. I did not mention N or S.
    We are not just talking about Lincoln. The industrial revolution didn't really get in high gear before the late 1800s. And by that time Republicans had become the big business party.

    Republicans represented the big cities and its business. To give an example on who republican represented, we can take a look at the wikipedia article from the election in 1896. "McKinley forged a coalition in which businessmen, professionals, skilled factory workers, and prosperous farmers were heavily represented." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_1896

    Democrats however represented farmers, especially in the south and the midwest
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    Re: Long term demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Remember that during the Civil War the Repbulicans were the party of change and of social justice. They were the enviromental party and stood for equality.
    The Democratic Party was Pro Slavery and for big business.

    That is one way to look at it. Others saw the War of Northern Aggression as an effort to deprive the South of its political power by going after the source of their wealth. I dare say the party of social justice didn't find that a priority to help blacks for the 100 years after the South was defeated.

    We are, however, running out of social change by my measure which is why the dems are going to have an increasingly more difficult problem going forward if they cannot find a way to pay for their new great social programs without gutting their old great programs.

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    Re: Long term demographics

    wolfman24: I think this linked explained it better how republicans have always supported big business.

    From a business perspective, Rauchway pointed out, the loyalties of the parties did not really switch. "Although the rhetoric and to a degree the policies of the parties do switch places," he wrote, "their core supporters don't — which is to say, the Republicans remain, throughout, the party of bigger businesses; it's just that in the earlier era bigger businesses want bigger government and in the later era they don't."

    In other words, earlier on, businesses needed things that only a bigger government could provide, such as infrastructure development, a currency and tariffs. Once these things were in place, a small, hands-off government became better for business.
    Why Did the Democratic and Republican Parties Switch Platforms? | Democrats & Republicans | LifesLittleMysteries.com

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