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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Your party registration is a matter of public record.
    Not every party-affiliated person votes strict party line. I, for one, never did when I associated myself with a party.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He is ALREADY taking money he made off his workers and using it for political activity that goes against the interests of his workers.

    That is ALREADY happening.
    Key point, right there. As a business owner, he put in the most risk, he gets the most reward. That's how it works, that's how it should work. At this point, money he earned is indeed HIS money to do with as he pleases.

    I still think the guy is an unethical jerk, but the fact that he can take his money and do as he wishes (legally) is indisputable and in and of itself fully ethical.


    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, OK. I like how he admits to illegalities in helping Bush by not turning in registrations for Democrat employees. Can you say "fraud?" I know someone will defend him for that. In 3,2,1...
    Not cool.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Key point, right there. As a business owner, he put in the most risk, he gets the most reward. That's how it works, that's how it should work. At this point, money he earned is indeed HIS money to do with as he pleases.

    I still think the guy is an unethical jerk, but the fact that he can take his money and do as he wishes (legally) is indisputable and in and of itself fully ethical.



    Not cool.
    The man is legally using his money for his own purposes. I do not dispute that. I only brought it up because another poster seemed to feel that it was wrong to use money to advance ones own interests.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would you introduce material that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed? Your personal right wing cause celebre quixotic war on unions is irrelevant to the subject of this thread.
    You are complaining about a boss doing the same thing that union leadership already does, making political activity a condition of employment. let me know when you decide to pluck that log out of your eye.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are complaining about a boss doing the same thing that union leadership already does, making political activity a condition of employment. let me know when you decide to pluck that log out of your eye.
    i missed your cite/proof of such happening
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    like i said, that is a stupid premise, to believe tax rates/tax expenditures impact hiring
    the good news is that without employees the employer will not have to pay income taxes
    the bad news is that without employees the employer will generate no income
    Why on earth would you not think tax rates impact hiring?

    I find it mind boggling.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post


    Yet I guess libertarians will thing this is absolutely ok ... which goes to show, they don't care about liberty, they are all for private plutocratic tyrannies.

    Okay, item one: if you've been paying attention you're probably heard me say that corporate employers can be nearly as tyrannical as any gov't, and more likely to get away with it, and that that crap needs to be reined in and stepped on.

    Having said that...

    If you listen to the video, the guy talking is clearly massively biased against Romney, so what he says is questionable as partisan hackery.

    LITERALLY, the king guy did NOT say "if you vote Obama I will fire you". He said "If Obama gets elected and I have to pay more taxes, I will have to downsize this company". The former would be interfering with an election... the latter is an expression of opinion, a prediction of what MAY happen, and a caution about same. Anyone, including CEO's, can express their opinion.

    Now if any employer ACTUALLY told their employees "Vote for X guy or be fired", I'd want him charged with felony violations of his employees Constitutional rights, to be sure. That doesn't quite appear to be what is going on this THIS particular case.

    Got to listen closely to what is REALLY being said, vs how it is being SPUN.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are complaining about a boss doing the same thing that union leadership already does, making political activity a condition of employment. let me know when you decide to pluck that log out of your eye.
    Log!?!?!?!?!? I have no idea what you are talking about and apparently neither do you.

    Please go to this site as the information there will educate you to correct your blatant misinformation about union members:

    UnionRefund.org

    In 1988, the U. S. Supreme Court decided the landmark case Communication Workers v. Beck, which established the rights of employees working under union contracts to pay only those union dues or fees necessary for performance of a unionís employee representation duties. Under Beck, fees to support union expenditures unrelated to workplace representation, such as political, social, or charitable contributions, are not mandatory.
    Do I as a worker have the same right a union member has in this regard to withhold monies from my employer if I do not like the political cause to which they are spent.

    NOT AT ALL DO I HAVE THAT SAME RIGHT.

    So you are comparing apples to cinderblocks.

    My point stands.
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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i missed your cite/proof of such happening
    Unions are allowed to use their members dues to cover the administrative costs of their PACs, freeing up that money for political activity.


    So, to compare, Haymarket is upset because an employer pointed out to his employees that government policy affects his ability to grow or being forced to shrink his business, because he thinks that that is some kind of imposition of political speech upon employees. But he's fine with unions actually doing what he claims the employer in this case is doing.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post


    Yet I guess libertarians will thing this is absolutely ok ... which goes to show, they don't care about liberty, they are all for private plutocratic tyrannies.
    I would seize their companies, their money, kick them out of the country...


    we should probably fight a war over this...cant think of a better reason myself

    whenever I read a person who can barely afford mac and cheese for dinner talking down unions, I know the brainwashing worked.

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    Re: CEOs taking away political freedom of workers.

    at least he's giving his employees a heads up... he could just remain silent, then close up shop suddenly and head for the beach.
    (which is kinda what Obama has done when he ordered contractor not to warn employees of layoffs until after the election, in contravention of the WARN act)

    He was rather hackish in his delivery... but there's nothing wrong with the message of "if i'm taxed more, i'm outta here".... he's the chief, it's his business and he can close it if he wants to...for whatever legal reason he wants.

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